Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 93

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

There might be wiggle room on that as Yoda looks a tad younger in TLJ, or at least happier.

Luke probably didn’t know what young Anakin even looked like at the time, but Kylo worships his grandfather so either form could appear to him and make more sense than the SE change.

But seeing as Kylo is based on Hayden’s Anakin in many ways, having some kind of CG-Sebatsian-Shaw-voiced-by-Matt-Lanter monstrosity would be lame IMO.

Anakin could make a point about the life he could have lived had he not fallen, going from healthy Sebastian to Sebastian right after the helmet came off would emphasize that. Kylo may have ignored certain aspects of Anakin’s life soley focusing on the Vader aspect.

I remember how one of the original plans for TFA was to have Anakin’s ghost appear, phasing in and out of the Vader suit.

I could imagine something like that with some Shaw stock footage, Hayden, or a different actor. Granted, I’d only want it if the story and character arcs would benefit from it.

MikeWW said:

ChainsawAsh said:

What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

I…? Ewan McGregor played Hayden Christensen’s master.

Yeah, so? How does that make Ewan McGregor’s Obi-Wan have anything to do with the SE’s? The OOT works just as well in the context of the prequels as the SE’s do, whether it’s Shaw or Christensen as the ghost or not. I have no idea where you’re getting the idea that “Ewan voicing one line as Obi-Wan in TFA means Christensen’s ghost is canon and Shaw’s can’t be.”

And I’m pretty sure Disney has never outright said that the SE is canon and the OOT isn’t, just that the original trilogy itself is canon. Which means whichever version of the OT you prefer works as the “canon” version for you. If you can point me to an official Disney source that says the SE is the canon version, go right ahead. But that’s irrelevant to me either way so long as the ST plays it neutral.

I say again: any aspect of the ST that unambiguously makes the SE the only canon version of the OT will make me write off the entire ST. Full stop. That includes Christensen playing Ghost Anakin.

That…might work for me.

thorr said:

OutboundFlight said:

When did John Boyega hint 9 sucks?

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/john-boyega-tells-feels-disney-star-wars/

That is pretty weak sauce if you ask me. Lots of different ways to interpret that set of very brief tweets. To say there are areas of disagreement on any movie is not saying anything radical but quite common. I also think it’s telling that many fans think stars of a movie are going to crap on it before it releases, especially co-stars. They do want to find work later.

StarkillerAG said:

It would please both OOT and SE fans

Would it though?

I wouldn’t mind that, but it would definitely bother me if he looked the way he did in the prequels.

ChainsawAsh said:

What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

A trivial detail perhaps, but doesn’t Rogue One show a ‘SE-style’ entrance for the Yavin base? That puts Disney SW in a separate canon to the unaltered OT.

SilverWook said:

I was under the impression we saw a different entrance to the Yavin hangar in R1. There are four sides after all.

I feel like they would show the same side just for nostalgia’s sake.

SilverWook said:

I was under the impression we saw a different entrance to the Yavin hangar in R1. There are four sides after all.

Yeah, that’s possible. I did read somewhere (can’t find it now of course!) that RO had gone out of its way to recreate these environments as closely to the ‘original’ as possible (Yavin, Death Star, Star Destroyers etc etc) so I’d argue that they were definitely recreating the entranceway from ANH as presented in the SE. To me it’s a very different style so, while it could conceivably be a different doorway, it’s kind of odd. Did the space-Aztecs only buff and polish the one side then? I interpreted it as a ‘canon declaration’ as soon as I saw it - however pedantic that may seem! I’m guessing it was pure oversight - I’m sure no-one thought that a cantankerous old SW fan was going to get sensitive about an old matte painting! But here I am ha ha!

Shopping Maul said:

ChainsawAsh said:

What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

A trivial detail perhaps, but doesn’t Rogue One show a ‘SE-style’ entrance for the Yavin base? That puts Disney SW in a separate canon to the unaltered OT.

Shit, yeah, that’s a good point. But that’s something I can justify away similarly to SilverWook - and it’s a purely aesthetic background detail.

Another SE style thing would be the ship combat scenes. The ST uses no practical scale ship models. (That I’m aware of.)

MikeWW said:

Another SE style thing would be the ship combat scenes. The ST uses no practical scale ship models. (That I’m aware of.)

That’s just the forward march of special effects technology. Heck, the SE’s and bits of TPM used scale models for some material (e.g., the sandcrawler, several TPM ships, etc.).

BedeHistory731 said:

MikeWW said:

Another SE style thing would be the ship combat scenes. The ST uses no practical scale ship models. (That I’m aware of.)

That’s just the forward march of special effects technology. Heck, the SE’s and bits of TPM used scale models for some material (e.g., the sandcrawler, several TPM ships, etc.).

Maybe, but for all the lip service JJ paid to “practical effects”, it’s Favreau with The Mandalorian that is busting out the miniature ship models.

BedeHistory731 said:

MikeWW said:

Another SE style thing would be the ship combat scenes. The ST uses no practical scale ship models. (That I’m aware of.)

That’s just the forward march of special effects technology. Heck, the SE’s and bits of TPM used scale models for some material (e.g., the sandcrawler, several TPM ships, etc.).

Yep, exactly. I don’t see how using more contemporary filmmaking techniques means the SE is any more canon than the OOT.

ChainsawAsh said:

BedeHistory731 said:

MikeWW said:

Another SE style thing would be the ship combat scenes. The ST uses no practical scale ship models. (That I’m aware of.)

That’s just the forward march of special effects technology. Heck, the SE’s and bits of TPM used scale models for some material (e.g., the sandcrawler, several TPM ships, etc.).

Yep, exactly. I don’t see how using more contemporary filmmaking techniques means the SE is any more canon than the OOT.

See above.