I hope Part Two lives up to my high expectations for it! I’ve read the book, and if Part Two is as faithful to the book as Part One, it’s gonna be quite a masterpiece.
I have altered Lucas’ visions. Pray I don’t alter them any further.
I hope Part Two lives up to my high expectations for it! I’ve read the book, and if Part Two is as faithful to the book as Part One, it’s gonna be quite a masterpiece.
Gender-swapped Kynes still irritates the shit out of me.
Honestly if the word “Jihad” isn’t uttered it will only confirm Denis Villeneuve is a coward.
Gender-swapped Kynes was great and had a better death than the character in the book.
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Gender-swapped Kynes was great and had a better death than the character in the book.
Strongly disagree.
Kyne’s death in the book was perhaps my favourite part of the book, having an imaginary conversation with his father and realizing the folly of humans trying to control the environment.
Villeneuve’s version was like “look how badass she is”.
I hope Part Two lives up to my high expectations for it! I’ve read the book, and if Part Two is as faithful to the book as Part One, it’s gonna be quite a masterpiece.
Gender-swapped Kynes still irritates the shit out of me.
Honestly if the word “Jihad” isn’t uttered it will only confirm Denis Villeneuve is a coward.
Wow. Somebody’s bitter.
And for the record, if all it takes for you to call a director cowardly is the use of a controversial post-9/11 word in a movie about giant worms and hallucinogenic spice, maybe you should go on Twitter instead.
I have altered Lucas’ visions. Pray I don’t alter them any further.
There are times when it’s wisest, I think, to just not reply. Don’t cast your pearls and all that
I hope Part Two lives up to my high expectations for it! I’ve read the book, and if Part Two is as faithful to the book as Part One, it’s gonna be quite a masterpiece.
Gender-swapped Kynes still irritates the shit out of me.
Honestly if the word “Jihad” isn’t uttered it will only confirm Denis Villeneuve is a coward.
Wow. Somebody’s bitter.
And for the record, if all it takes for you to call a director cowardly is the use of a controversial post-9/11 word in a movie about giant worms and hallucinogenic spice, maybe you should go on Twitter instead.
Why would I be bitter? I’m just irritated.
I very rarely express my opinions on Twitter. I’m happy to just follow certain topics and accounts.
I’m mostly indifferent to gender-swapped Kynes. There was a theory floating around that the change was made to make Stilgar Chani’s father, but IIRC, this ended up not being the case (someone with a fresher memory of the film can correct me if I’m wrong on this point). So an altogether arbitrary change, and mildly irritating on that front, but the actress gave a strong performance, so I wasn’t horribly perturbed. There were many other aspects of the filmmaking which left me far more cold. For example, Chalamet’s entire performance, his hair, and his stupid “Iron Man” moment.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
For example, Chalamet’s entire performance, his hair, and his stupid “Iron Man” moment.
Chalamet IMO embodies Paul Atreides. In the books Paul is described as thin, wiry youth of shorter-than-average height with an aloof demeanor. As for the hair, there’s no mention of him having such fabulous locks, just an assumption from both movie adaptations.
Personally I think that it’s impossible to deliver an adaptation I consider above “OK” but time will tell. I think Denis peaked with Arrival which did the protagonist perspective shifts better. Anyway I guess it will have to wait, I’d like to see Children of Dune done properly if things work out.
I thought Chalamet was pretty good at playing Paul, but I felt the character should have been written a bit more naive at the beginning. It was always my understanding that, yes, while Paul grew up the heir of a royal family and was trained for such, he was still a kid.
As soon as he reaches Arrakis, when House Atreides goes down in flames, and culminating when he and his mother are in the tent and he’s exposed to the spice, is when he becomes more “edgy” and serious.
Maybe it’s just me though. I’d have to read the books again, it’s been a while.
Move along, move along.
I thought Chalamet was pretty good at playing Paul, but I felt the character should have been written a bit more naive at the beginning. It was always my understanding that, yes, while Paul grew up the heir of a royal family and was trained for such, he was still a kid.
As soon as he reaches Arrakis, when House Atreides goes down in flames, and culminating when he and his mother are in the tent and he’s exposed to the spice, is when he becomes more “edgy” and serious.
Maybe it’s just me though. I’d have to read the books again, it’s been a while.
Actually that’s the whole point according Herbert himself. Paul is essentially this super-human who’s had the best education, both intelectual and martial, that his noble status can afford, is pretty much a human supercomputer, has the best possible genes of any human being, gains the genetic memory powers of the Bene Gesserit and he still fucks up.
Actually that’s the whole point according Herbert himself. Paul is essentially this super-human who’s had the best education, both intelectual and martial, that his noble status can afford, is pretty much a human supercomputer, has the best possible genes of any human being, gains the genetic memory powers of the Bene Gesserit and he still fucks up.
I get that Paul’s been training in these arts so naturally he would have a sense of composure and whatnot, but I always thought having a more drastic change in his demeanor would have been more impactful.
There’s a sort of ancient maturity and knowledge that gets imprinted on him, and we actually see the jihad visions yes, but at the end of the film Paul doesn’t act any differently than he did before. (At least it didn’t feel that way to me) And this isn’t to say that he should come off as an immature brat at the beginning either. You’re right, he has been raised as the Duke’s heir and is certainly more mature than his peers would be, but he’s still only 15.
I must admit though, this is just how I would have shown it had I been making the adaptation, so I guess I can’t really call it a proper critique. And since the movie was only a ‘part 1’ there’s still a lot of room for that change I suppose. I’ll keep waiting until Pt 2 to give my final judgment of this adaptation.
Move along, move along.
Villeneuve’s version was like “look how badass she is”.
Unless you wanted Kynes to realise the folly of humans trying to control the environment while addressing the audience in a long monologue, or to have a couple minutes of the godawful voiceover narration that plagues the 1984 film, I really don’t see how Kynes’ book death would have worked on film. I also don’t see why it makes a difference whether Kynes is a man or a woman.
Dune part one simply doesn’t have the runtime to delve in depth into Kynes’ dream of a terraformed Arrakis, it only touches on it, meaning a conclusion to movie Kynes’ story where she accepts humans cannot control nature would not have been narratively justified or satisfying. Villeneuve’s version deals with the aspect of Kynes which IS a big staple of her character in the film, her commitment to the Emperor and seeming refusal to pick a side. In her last moments she denounces the Emperor and embraces the Fremen part of herself entirely, which makes far more sense for this version. And yes it is the one of the most badass ways to go out. That’s no bad thing in my eyes.
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Villeneuve’s version was like “look how badass she is”.
Unless you wanted Kynes to realise the folly of humans trying to control the environment while addressing the audience in a long monologue, or to have a couple minutes of the godawful voiceover narration that plagues the 1984 film, I really don’t see how Kynes’ book death would have worked on film. I also don’t see why it makes a different whether Kynes is a man or a woman.
Dune part one simply doesn’t have the runtime to delve in depth into Kynes’ dream of a terraformed Arrakis, it only touches on it, meaning a conclusion to movie Kynes’ story where she accepts humans cannot control nature would not have been narratively justified or satisfying. Villeneuve’s version deals with the aspect of Kynes which IS a big staple of her character in the film, her commitment to the Emperor and seeming refusal to pick a side. In her last moments she denounces the Emperor and embraces the Fremen part of herself entirely, which makes far more sense for this version. And yes it is the one of the most badass ways to go out. That’s no bad thing in my eyes.
I’ve posted countless times before that I thoroughly hate every single aspect of gender-swapped Kynes and nothing will change my mind on it.
I do have an idea for Kynes’s book death adapted to screen. Have it be this very surreal, trippy, dreamlike sequence.
I have mixed opinions about Part 1. Does anyone else get the sense that this film just feels strangely “empty”? Like, I don’t recall ever seeing like a typical city street on Arrakis, or even any average citizens (except those religious people standing around trying to get a glimpse of their Messiah).
I know in the novel there’s a scene where the Atreides family hosts a dinner party, and all sorts of colorful characters from around Arrakis show up. I think scenes like this were needed to give the movie some personality. As it is, I get the sense that the city on Arrakis is just a couple of rooms in the palace, most of which look like some ultra-modern 5-star boutique hotel in Tokyo. I mean it’s all very visually stunning, it just often feels a bit sterile because the world isn’t fleshed out enough.
it just often feels a bit sterile because the world isn’t fleshed out enough.
You’ve just described every Denis Villeneuve movie.
Yeah, “sterile” sums up Villeneuve’s style quite well. “Dreary” works also.
I never understood all the praise Arrival got. I’m guessing 99% of the people who got their rocks off to the film were floored by the plot twist. Well, I went into the movie knowing the twist beforehand and got nothing out of the experience expect cold colour grading and a protagonist with all the charm and personality of a dead salmon sitting in a cooler (and I normally love Amy Adams).
His style was a perfect fit for Blade Runner 2049, though.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
Yeah, “sterile” sums up Villeneuve’s style quite well. “Dreary” works also.
I never understood all the praise Arrival got. I’m guessing 99% of the people who got their rocks off to the film were floored by the plot twist. Well, I went into the movie knowing the twist beforehand and got nothing out of the experience expect cold colour grading and a protagonist with all the charm and personality of a dead salmon sitting in a cooler (and I normally love Amy Adams).
His style was a perfect fit for Blade Runner 2049, though.
Oh, no, I found it beautiful and moving before the plot twist. The plot twist, honestly, felt way too implausible to me. But I loved the movie, especially before that
I never understood all the praise Arrival got.
His style was a perfect fit for Blade Runner 2049, though.
This but reversed.
I’m still here wishing that we’d gotten the complete misunderstanding that was Jodorowsky’s Dune. As insulting an adaptation as it would have been, it still would’ve made for a fascinatingly strange experience.
I’m still here wishing that we’d gotten the complete misunderstanding that was Jodorowsky’s Dune. As insulting an adaptation as it would have been, it still would’ve made for a fascinatingly strange experience.
It would have most certainly been a beautiful mess of a movie, but I disagree with Jodorowsky’s plan to make it 14 hours long.
I’m still here wishing that we’d gotten the complete misunderstanding that was Jodorowsky’s Dune. As insulting an adaptation as it would have been, it still would’ve made for a fascinatingly strange experience.
It would have most certainly been a beautiful mess of a movie, but I disagree with Jodorowsky’s plan to make it 14 hours long.
I often wonder about this “14 hours” bit. From the documentary, I got the sense that Jodorowsky was making a statement of artistic freedom, saying hypothetically that if it was his desire to make his film 14 hours long, he should have the right to make it 14 hours long, even if it wasn’t his actual intent for it to be that long. But then Frank Herbert himself supposedly received a copy of Jodorowsky’s screenplay, and it was as thick as a phone book, so I dunno what to believe.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YUzQa_1RCE
I’m sorry, but I just can’t get behind an elderly Christopher Walken as the Emperor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YUzQa_1RCE
I’m sorry, but I just can’t get behind an elderly Christopher Walken as the Emperor.
Why not?