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Thanks for the info Moth3r. I guess I'll just pick up my capture device/comb filter/etc, plug it in and see what it looks like.

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just picked a new laserdisc player

(my 3rd one)...the other 2 sony's died out...

i'm made it my personal mission to never give SONY 1 more
cent for all their failed electronics, etc..

anyways, its a DENON la-2500, it has autoreverse to play
both sides, s-vid out, and digital out.(TOS), besides the
usual.rca jacks...


i've only owned the SE laser disc box set..

but in the next week i'll be getting
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1) the faces 3 set THX laserdiscs
2) special definitive laserdisc box

by the way all were dirt cheap..
player $30, faces LD $15, and box set around $40....

i picked up 12 foot s-video cables today..

i have a pinnacle external dazzle capture box, and will
be playing around with it.. if the quality isn't that great,
i'll buy a capture card, or a better box...

i'm not quite sure what i'm going to do with them though..

i'm pretty sure every combination of capture of the LD's
has already been done (except for the XO project)..

anyways, it will be fun to play around with the sound,
and video, and see what can be done with them, until
i get a good idea at whats going on..

also, i'm playing around with premiere 6 (not CS, yet),
so i have learn how that works also..

anyone have any good guides/ideas/thoughts about
projects, video capturing, etc....i've been to videohelp.com,
and doom9, but i want to learn more specific stuff here,
i've looked at the technical threads about color correction,
and image stabilization, but its way over my head...

maybe a nice beginner project......(actually, i'm planning
on doing a 'the story of return of the jedi' from vinyl,
with video from the discs'.....that might be easy...i hope.....

later
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The only LD player I've ever owned is the one I still have, Pioneer CLD-3070.

Is there a site or page somewhere that compares the players?

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Ziz said:

The only LD player I've ever owned is the one I still have, Pioneer CLD-3070.

Is there a site or page somewhere that compares the players?


This site has a lot of good info about Lds and Ld players - scroll about halfway down on this page: http://www.mindspring.com/~laserguru/askjosh.htm#hardware
and Josh gives a rundown on what are generally considered to be the best players. Elsewhere on the same page, he mentions some of the players to avoid.

I based the purchase of my cld-d703 based on his recommentation, and I'm very happy with it. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the players on that list.

The rest of the site is informative, as well. Use the "chapter listing" at the bottom of the page to navigate the site.

This site is also useful for in-depth tech specs and photos of all known Ld models:
http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/laserdisc_archive_page.htm Just click on the desired brand-name on the right column.

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Moth3r mentioned the V8000 player and I was wondering how this stacks up to some of the higher end NTSC players. Laserman said that it was a step down from the HLD-X9/0, but does anyone know if it was better than say the CLD-97 or other consumer level players? I think I remember someone saying that the 97 was supposed to be the best USA model available at the time.

I also read that some of these industrial players can give smearing on CLV discs. Does anyone know if the V8000 or V4300D suffer from this? Anyone know what the V4300D is worth these days in working cond?

charliesheen: did you get a copy of the D925 user manual? PM me if you're still wanting it.

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Have you checked the 2 sites I mentioned above?

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Yeah, I have checked those sites before, but they didn't fully answer my question.
They are great resources sites though, so thanks for posting those URLs.

I don't know how I missed it on my first search, but Laserman has already answered most of what I wanted to know ages ago on this post:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-PAL-NTSC-Laserdisc-players-would-you-recommend-me/post/259497/#post259497

So I guess the pecking order from best downwards is : X0, X9, V800, V8000, V4300D followed by the consumer models.

Laserman also mentioned a bit about the CLV smearing that I was referring to here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Ghosting-problem/post/253620/#post253620

From his comments it's clear that all consumer players suffer from smearing to some extent, except the X0/X9 and some of the industrial players.

Can anyone please tell me what the V4300D player is worth today in working condition?

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I've checked inside my cld-d925, and it seems that the video out of the
scart connection comes from another part of the circuit than the rca-composite
jack, wich is right beside the s-video jack. The s-video jack and composite jack are
placed on their own circuit, wich is connected to the main circuit with a multi-jack erm... ? In the opposit corner of where the connection to the scart jack is connected.

I then persume the scart jack is a cleaner composite out source than the composite jack.... When I watch on my plasma screen, picture is much better through the scart jack than the s-video jack.... More natural contrast / colours ....

Am I wrong? Check it out for yourself D925 owners.... ;-)
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Everything I've seen indicates that the composite video output on the D925, whether though the RCA jack or the SCART connection, is the chroma and luma of the s-video output combined - that is, the signal always goes through the digital processing circuits, getting filtered in digital RGB and converted into luma and chroma along the way.

Some users have suggested a mod to pick up the "clean" composite signal before it enters the frame store, but no-one I know of has sucessfully implemented this yet.

Perhaps the difference you are seeing is due to your SCART cable being better shielded than your RCA cable?

(Although, I do remember Laserman talking about the V800, saying the BNC connection output a pure composite signal while the RCA is the combined s-video. So this kind of thing is not totally unheard of...)

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Well if you have a d925 and open it youll see that the s-video and

rca-composite jack have their own circuit, wich the scart jack is

not connected to. Therefor the s-video and rca-composite jacks

must have some processing added wich is not present

at the scart jack connection.....

Wether the scart connection is a clean composite out I dont know,

but it looks better...... As mentioned earlier........

Ill maybee come up with some screen caps later!

 

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I've had a look and checked the D925 service manual to confirm what you are saying and from what I can tell it looks like Moth3r is correct (as usual).  According to the block diagram in the manual, the video for the Scart connector comes from exactly the same point in the circuit as the standard composite plug.  The composite video is then fed back from SCH4 to SCH3 and eventually back to the Audio board (SCH2).  This is probably to keep the wiring to the scart connector all neat and tidy inside the player.  It's most likely that you're looking at the audio board, which has all of the scart connections on it for Audio/video etc.  There is no additional processing done to the composite signal from when it leaves the point at the Composite plug, all the way across the 3 circuit boards listed and out through the SCART connector.  The composite output is exactly the same as that on the SCART connector.

Hope this helps.

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