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Could "Force Vision" explain how Leia knows what her mother looks like? Discussion

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So it just hit me the other day that Leia told Luke she knows what their mother looks like, based on Images/ Feelings. At this point Luke says he has no memory of her, also explaining that “The Force Is Strong In My Family…”

As we know Padme died minutes after they were born.

Could she have come into contact with an item that was owned by Padme? If so, did she have a vision similar to Reys?

Clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYX_PgorRY

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pat man said:

As we know Padme died minutes after they were born.

I know no such thing.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

pat man said:

As we know Padme died minutes after they were born.

I know no such thing.

Yes I know it’s a prequel reference.

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I gave up on trying to connect the PT with the OT. It just won’t work.
Yes, force vision could explain it, but it would be a very lame explanation.

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Both were Senators, so it’s very possible Leia has walked in her mother’s footsteps on Coruscant. She could even have had a residence in the same building.

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SilverWook said:

Both were Senators, so it’s very possible Leia has walked in her mother’s footsteps on Coruscant. She could even have had a residence in the same building.

This takes place on Naboo, but she has a vision of Darth Maul (Shattered Empire comic). In another comic (Princess Leia) she see a picture of her mom as Queen that turns and looks at her.

Both are shown here:
http://comicbook.com/2015/10/15/spoilers-star-wars-shattered-empire-teases-major-villain-new-lei/

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I don’t think you need a Rey style vision to explain this just some sort of Force thing. She does say “images, feelings”, not “She died when I was 5” so it’s not the most inconsistent thing.
I suspect they went back to the “kind but sad” thing for padme, I don’t think they pulled it off particularly well but I do detect that they were aiming for it.

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I think George Lucas should’ve watched the original trilogy before filming the prequels, then confusion such as this could’ve been avoided.

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I think I’ve read that George said that Leia was supposed to go and live with her real mother for 2 years before she died.

Edit: here is the bit I was thinking of:

Lucas: Leia and Luke’s mother go to Alderaan and are taken in by the king there, who is a friend of Ben’s. She dies shortly thereafter and Leia is brought up by her foster parents. She knows that her real mother died.

Kasdan: She does know that?

Lucas: Yes, so we can bring that out when Luke is talking to her; she can say that her mother died when “I was two years old.”

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pat man said:

COULD “FORCE VISION” EXPLAIN HOW LEIA KNOWS WHAT HER MOTHER LOOKS LIKE?

If you replace “explain” with “excuse” then yes, definitely.

I’m actually expecting the new Disney EU to pick up on this pretty soon and make it canon. I also seem to recall the old post-PT EU having a similar excuse, but I don’t remember the details.

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Not to derail the thread, but it’s doctored footage from The Other Boleyn Girl. The idea first appeared from The Cutter, and was used by Q2 for his Ep3 edit. Hundsdorfex recolored the girl’s eyes brown.

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I assume they’ve invented photographs in star wars.

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Although I guess this is slightly off-topic; was there ever any mentioning of Leia’s “real mother” prior to that scene in ROTJ?
It just occurred to me that as someone who grew up with the PT that I always took it for granted that Leia, despite having the Organa name, had a ‘real’ mother. I’m assuming that it must have been a pretty jarring statement for anyone who watched the film for the first time back in 1983.

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I honestly can’t understand the hangups about this issue personally. Why wouldn’t Leia think of her foster mother as her mother? Why wouldn’t the mother she originally spoke of be that foster mother? Why do we even assume she knew her foster mother was not her “real mother”?

Not defending the PT (which I hate), it just seems weird to me that everyone assumes she speaks consciously of her birth mother in her original line.

Lucas’ explanation doesn’t even have to come into play; Leia’s birth mother need never have been in discussion at all.

It seems weird that everyone thinks Luke spoke some kind of magic words when he said “real”, like that would cause Leia to know her foster/adopted parents weren’t her “real” ones. Is it mentioned anywhere that Leia knows before Luke tells her that the people who raised her weren’t her birth parents?

A lot of adopted children never know they are adopted; in Leia’s case, there would be good reason to hide it from her for most of her life, and her father may have gotten blown up before he was able to tell her.

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From an out-of-universe point of view, the clear intention of the scene is to lead into Luke revealing their relationship. Anything other than their mutual birth mother is incoherent. It’s a fantasy film, not found footage.

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I’d watch a found footage Star Wars horror film.

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Like Blair Witch Project? Maybe like the wampa attack scene…

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From an out-of-universe point of view, the clear intention of the scene is to lead into Luke revealing their relationship. Anything other than their mutual birth mother is incoherent. It’s a fantasy film, not found footage.

I agree that was the intent, and within the style of these films (which is extraordinarily simplistic) it probably shouldn’t be taken any other way. But as I’ve complained before, RotJ was the first of the films to degenerate rather than continue or enhance, and it needn’t be held to such a simplistic standard for fanedits or future references.

I get the found footage gist. But it could be sleight of hand, rather than bald lead-up. A bait-and switch of “Hey, let’s discuss our parents” and “well, that’s a nice story but, um, by the way, actually you’re adopted and we’re siblings.”

Sorry for all the edits.

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Honestly if it’s bad writing in ROTS it’s bad writing in ROTJ as well. They’re both retcons. Leia was never adopted until Lucas decided to make her Luke’s sister.

Sure ROTJ doesn’t necessarily directly contradict anything in the previous films, but, and maybe it’s just me, there still seems to be a logical leap in Luke and Leia’s conversation. Leia already knew she was adopted (and Luke for that matter)? Seems to come out of nowhere and never fit right for me.

That scene’s actually problematic in a few different ways. “Somehow I’ve always known” speaks for itself. We never really see Leia properly react to the terrible truth that Vader is actually her father (not quite enough emotion). It plays out much better in the novel (and probably also the script, though I haven’t read it), for example this final line: "“I have to try, Leia. He’s our father”