Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!) — Page 49

The design is definitely cool, we agree on that.  As I mentioned before, the Executor is technically longer as well, so in that way the Executor does outdo it.  And since we'd never define weapons capacity onscreen, who knows which is really the more powerful vessel?  It just doesn't seem logical to me for the Emperor to arrive in a cool looking coupe while Vader arrives in a stretch limo.

I should note that when I first learned of the Eclipse, most folks thought that the Executor was only 8 km long, and the Eclipse was twice that.  Again, it just seemed like someone was overdoing it.  Once it became clear from comparing model sizes and how they are portrayed on screen that the Executor was around 19 km in length, I actually came to like the Eclipse more because it now appeared as an alternative and not just another more=better situation.  That's what I hope for with the Eclipse: an alternative, and only briefly shown.  I agree, I don't want too much.  I just want a cameo, and then it takes off.

looking at that picture though if you asked me which one was bigger.... Well say no more

It's not all about length you need to take girth into account too lol :)

Yeah, of course.  Tell me, Ron...why can't the Eclipse just leave?  We don't even have to see them near each other and we never would really know which is longer in the context of the film.

true but my thinking is more like showing that design of the eclipse but only his personl transport and not making anyone even think is that thing bigger than the executor so you would need to establish that it is definatly not outdoing the executor in anyshots they might appear together in be it at coruscant for the ralph tribute or at DSII arrival... So if you do not show it at all together with the executor then no problems but if you show it being escorted say by the executor it needs to be alot smaller

yep it can just leave no audio dubs required

I think we can keep them out of the same shots, and like I said, we'll put it up for a vote.  I may be in the minority.

Might it be possible to downscale the Rebel Assault footage and map it into cockpits so you can see real actors talking and moving around from inside fighter craft (as seen on NuGalactica)?

Scaled down to that sort of size you might not notice the low resolution.

That's not a bad idea...and communication on viewscreens is always shown in low-res (at least in the OT, which is part of its charm), so if we had a good reason to show pilots on a viewscreen we could probably find a use for a few shots...like you suggested, in cokpits, but perhaps even on the Home One bridge or something like that.  Good thinking.

darth_ender said:

I think we can keep them out of the same shots, and like I said, we'll put it up for a vote.  I may be in the minority.

again, if we just made the Eclipse the size of a regular Star Destroyer, there would be no issue. It would just be a cooler (but smaller) ride alternative to the Executor. Just scale it down.

darth_ender said:

I think we can keep them out of the same shots, and like I said, we'll put it up for a vote.  I may be in the minority.

I have started assembling a complete rough cut today from all I have done already... And was listening to Han while they are on shuttle tydirium trying to get clearance and Han says "there are plenty of command ships" So for me thats a green light for the eclipse and the executor... If somthing like my opening mock-up is a liked voted for idea then Vader should jump in on the executor after the 2 star destroyers are crippled this would also mean vader shows up at DSII as in the script you have already put up D and if the Ralph Mcquarrie tribute is liked then I will go with your suggestion that it should be the eclipse as it suits the emperor much better. And would make more sense that Han also says this line.

But as MrInsaneA has just said I don't want the executor being outdone

So I fixed the cut to obi-wan by cutting you cannot escape your destiny also and it works well this way... I have Observed all other cuts except C3PO telling the story because I don't think it works all that well and luke "Vader is here now on this moon" because he could have been coming from somewhere else on Endor not neccesarily from The Executor or DSII.

Did Vader choking Jejerod in rough and it's ok but has problems the walk towards down the hall does not quite make it up to the camera from lukes lightsabre deleted scene so his appearance on the edge of the screen will need to be re-timed and delayed when cutting to jejerods conflict first scene via masking and compositing. added line from the interactive board game "The responsibility is yours commander" as is all that would work somewhat well just a disrespect to him really and then he gets in the lift from lukes lightsabre deleted scene resumed.

That's a good point on the line about Han's line, which to me further justifies making it a big ship.  I don't see how it is outdoing the Executor.  To me one is a Cadillac and the other is a Lincoln, but they're both luxury cars.  I just have a hard time believing the Emperor would bring something smaller and leave the big ship with Vader.  He's consistently shown that he's arrogant.

Even if we downscale the Eclipse, I don't think it should be the size of a regular Star Destroyer, nor do I think it should stay in the battle.  The Rebels are already outgunned.  We want their victory to be believable, and big or small, the Eclipse is sure to be a heavily armed vessel.  And if we keep it for the battle, the story virtually demands that we address what would happen to it.  We'd need to see its destruction as well.

I don't understand what you mean about two crippled Star Destroyers, Ron.  Luke's line can stay, that's fine with me.  I'll have to toy with the Jerjerrod scene and Vader in the hall as well.

darth_ender said:

That's a good point on the line about Han's line, which to me further justifies making it a big ship.  I don't see how it is outdoing the Executor.  To me one is a Cadillac and the other is a Lincoln, but they're both luxury cars.  I just have a hard time believing the Emperor would bring something smaller and leave the big ship with Vader.  He's consistently shown that he's arrogant.

Even if we downscale the Eclipse, I don't think it should be the size of a regular Star Destroyer, nor do I think it should stay in the battle.  The Rebels are already outgunned.  We want their victory to be believable, and big or small, the Eclipse is sure to be a heavily armed vessel.  And if we keep it for the battle, the story virtually demands that we address what would happen to it.  We'd need to see its destruction as well.

I don't understand what you mean about two crippled Star Destroyers, Ron.  Luke's line can stay, that's fine with me.  I'll have to toy with the Jerjerrod scene and Vader in the hall as well.

I am talking about my opening mock up... Vader comes in after the 2 star destroyers are crippled by home 1... Perhaps it's not entirly clear what is supposed to be going on as it's very difficult when you cannot create somthing and only modify some computer game :(....

But basically I was suggesting that he would come in the executor instead of a normal star destroyer change that too now to the executor. and keep the executor arrives at DSII

The eclipse would not need downscaling after I hear the line from Han it's basically grants complete artisitic license and your right why would the emperor have a crapper ship than vaders. If the Eclipse had normal star destroyers with it then it would make sense they stay and the eclipse on it's own departs

Oh, cool.  I didn't understand that you agreed, but I think your line really does make it more justifiable.  But I'll still put it in the vote, since both you and MrInsaneA both at least once thought it was the way to go.  I think your last sentence answered mine and everyone's concerns though: if the Eclipse is escorted by several other Star Destroyers that stay, it would make more sense for the Eclipse to depart by itself.  Good call, Ron.

darth_ender said:

Oh, cool.  I didn't understand that you agreed, but I think your line really does make it more justifiable.  But I'll still put it in the vote, since both you and MrInsaneA both at least once thought it was the way to go.  I think your last sentence answered mine and everyone's concerns though: if the Eclipse is escorted by several other Star Destroyers that stay, it would make more sense for the Eclipse to depart by itself.  Good call, Ron.

D please do me a favour let me finish this complete rough cut before you put anything else up for vote... I always feel like I'm racing against the clock to get things done I'm hoping I will actually have it done today or later in the week...

I am asking this because I want to watch the daneditors version too and perhaps take some inspiration from this... Infact I already have a bit... The inclusion of the music piece Luke and Leia at the end.

There is 3 other cuts I wish to check but I may just have a go without watching dan editors take  because of time restraints regarding cutting Obiwan and luke "A certain point of view" lines C3PO dialogue with Bib Fortuna Jabbas palace, cutting tydirium differently and it's passage to endor to make it more tense perhaps

I have cut the scene with wicket and leia down, made it less patronising but not removed it because I feel it's important to show that Ewoks are not just stupid teddy bears there is some sense to this scene.

So I have been collecting resources to expand the space battle a bit for this rough cut from your take for placeholders aswell as do a new ending I am resolving my idea about luke telling leia on the bridge she is his sister during the celebrations practically the same setting what luck hoping it will add to the end and resolution of my take... And actually sway peoples opinion on what I still feel is the best idea for ROTJ ever :)

I am planning also to show the celebrations around the galaxy where it would normally roll credits and then cut back to ships leaving Endor and joining the fleet then into hyperspace roll end credits I will be removing the ewok JW score from the credits and replacing with across the stars.

So don't think I'm disregarding the script you have worked so hard on I will be merely providing you with a What about this? Aswell as my final rough cut...

I will announce when it's done and if any of you would like to see it please PM me Darth Ender I will send you a copy regardless for your reference. I will cut some of the ideas and compile in a post for ideas too

That's fine, I'll hold off for a few days.  I of course would like to see your edit.  Even though I often disagree with you on story direction, I take quite a bit of inspiration from your individual ideas.  Just let me know when you're ready.

I haven't seen the Dan Edit yet...I'll have to have a look at it when I get the chance.

Thanks D :)

Where do I find the the radio broadcast for C3PO's lines on Endor?

I plan to include this as per your script... Like I don't get any inspiration from you lol

You know it's a shame because I hoped somone would be doing a take alongside what I was doing that way atleast we could see different viewpoints before the final vote. Also that way it would get properly hammered out I'll readily accept my ideas are not always right or should be ditched but It would have been really productive to have had a comparison as I said before for the common good of getting the best results.... Nevermind hopefully a comparison rough cut will come later and we can draw from the best of both whilst observing the other 2 edits by Daneditor and Spence.

Can't tell you where to find the radio drama stuff, but here is ben_danger's listing of SSWR's ideas which includes how he spliced it together...very clever I think:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-Updated-script-editing-guide-to-reflect-all-votes-look-under-Handy-links-in-first-post/post/556175/#TopicPost556175

I wish I had the time to do my own take, but I appreciate you going at it.  Hopefully MrInsaneA is able to tell us how the rough cut stands at the present.  But yeah, it would be nice to see any and all interpretations and draw inspiration from them.  Heck, unpopular ideas may prove popular once visualized somewhat...that's how it was for me with your Boba Fett suggestions.

So after reading up a bit on the Dan Edit, I wonder why I never downloaded it before.  I feel it may have a great deal to offer in terms of editing choices and creating a tight storyline.  I will download and watch it soon, and then will be able to offer a few more suggestions.  I really do need to hold off on the final vote for my sake as well.

darth_ender said:

So after reading up a bit on the Dan Edit, I wonder why I never downloaded it before.  I feel it may have a great deal to offer in terms of editing choices and creating a tight storyline.  I will download and watch it soon, and then will be able to offer a few more suggestions.  I really do need to hold off on the final vote for my sake as well.

Just watched dan editors take which has proved helpfull in seeing some good ideas.But it was too short again for a finale to the OT IMO but better than spence's edit for fluidity but nowhere near as daring and hard hitting as spence edit.

I plan to follow his lead on a few things

1. Cutting back the dialogue and petting of R2 with Bib Fortuna but I will be more conservative than he was

2. Removing "A certain point of view exchange between Luke and Obi-wan on Dagobah this is very good

3. Removing whirring sound from destroyed speeder bike luke hits with his lightsabre

4. Remove Hans "proper" when ewoks capture Hereos

5. Use Dan editors take on "hold me" leia to han on ewok bridge as he had the same idea but cut it alot better than me.

6.Changing Jabbas Dialogue subtitles slightly perhaps

7. Using Luke and leia theme at the end at some point probably when luke tells her she is his sister

anything else he did I am not doing unless I have already done it but these are the new changes I will be making which I have not already done + trying to add  some of the place holders for space battle stuff also and then this part will finally wrap up for me and complete what I started

still so much to do....

Only problem for me is that it's PAL, which I can still watch, but it's a pain in many cases.  I know I can alter the way my DVD and BD players work or watch it on the computer, but I also like to distribute these edits to people who are even less savvy as to this sort of thing than I am.  I just wish everyone would make NTSC versions as well.  Oh well, I forgive daneditor/Yads :)

darth_ender said:

Only problem for me is that it's PAL, which I can still watch, but it's a pain in many cases.  I know I can alter the way my DVD and BD players work or watch it on the computer, but I also like to distribute these edits to people who are even less savvy as to this sort of thing than I am.  I just wish everyone would make NTSC versions as well.  Oh well, I forgive daneditor/Yads :)

get the AVI thats what I did

That might be what I'll do, but I like to have the DVD as well.

Oh yeah, I was reading the time length and many cuts and it made me wonder about time.  Folks want to keep at least a two hour edit for us.  I don't think we need to be as drastic in our version, but at least some of it might be a good suggestion as to what we should do as well.  1:40 is just too short for the type of film we're doing, though some of this will be ensured by our inclusion of deleted material and some new shots.

my cut already is at 2hrs+ and I have not even finished it yet lol :(

I can actually see why they end up shorter now I'm doing one.. Still the same storyboard rough cut footage as before too thers just so much to take into account

Looks like I have to use the AVI anyway, as the DVD is offline.  Bummer.  I have DVDFlick which can convert AVIs to DVDs relatively quickly, but it is always lower quality and often the sound is out of sync, even when I change a particular setting that supposedly addresses this.  At least I can easily convert it to an NTSC DVD if I want to.