Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!) — Page 30

Who's the person who modeled all those ships? 
I simply must talk to this genius.   

Hey Ray, don't get too worried.  I don't think we'll truly be using any Ric Olie, I doubt we have the funds to make a Bothan scene (and while I and many find the concept interesting, I don't think we could make anything truly fit with the rest of the film).  As for EU and PT ships, I think too many here oppose everything PT or EU on principle rather than reason.  I truly believe that in spite of their flaws, the PT and EU have several valuable aspects that are overshadowed by their shortcomings in the eyes of those here.  If used wel and/or subtly (much as the battle droid head in ANH:R), it need not ruin the edit for you :)

ShepardCommander said:

How about thesee ships? :P

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Z95

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Victory_I-class_Star_Destroyer

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Victory_II-class_Star_Destroyer

http://warlords.swrebellion.com/g2/main.php?g2_itemId=19

I've been pushing heavily for Victory SDs.  And I hope we can include more Mon Cals as well.  Finally, I think Z-95s could make sense as well.  But we'll vote on new ships soon.

Been working on some mock up shots in after effects and making some progress will have somthing up soon for Luke arriving at tattooine.... I hope you like the concept err basically he's searching for the falcon....

so my question is, is the CGI X-Wing any good? there will be a few shots that require it I have just come to realise how difficult it is to composte stuff from a black background atleast with low res video....

I look forward to seeing your samples, Ronster :)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Recusant-class_light_destroyer
I would love to add one of these babies to the mix of Rebel ships. In-universe, the ship is built with Mon Cal designs, so it wouldn't be too odd to see in the mix of Rebel ships . 

So I've been thinking again about what quality video should this edit be.... I suggest playing it safe for the incorporation of deleted scenes and go for DVD Quality....

Anyway so I think a rough cut or different takes of the fiirst act is needed sooner or later to confirm the flow of the proposed sequence it will help iron out any rinkles in the script.... whilst also making it apparent what may or may not need changing. I would also like to bring up Yoda passing over the crystal for Luke's lightsabre again as I really am fond  of this idea....

We have focused alot on the end so far and although it does feel that alot of ideas have been fleshed out and progress has been made It is now Time to focus on the start and flesh this out with the same intent as we have for the end.

This Rough Cut should happen before the second round of votes takes place, and attempt to remain true to the script somewhat....

The middle I feel is not perticularly in contention and do not feel that a rough edit is needed for this at all.

So I feel this Rough Edit Should run from the start until the emperor goes to DSII as Markers of start and finish point.

Thoughts?

I agree, but somebody needs to volunteer to do it.  I also found the crystal idea interesting, but can it be made to look like anything other than a flash movie?  And yes, DVD quality is the way to go.  We don't hear from emanswfan, so I hope he's stlil interested in fixing up the deleted scenes.

darth_ender said:

I agree, but somebody needs to volunteer to do it.  I also found the crystal idea interesting, but can it be made to look like anything other than a flash movie?  And yes, DVD quality is the way to go.  We don't hear from emanswfan, so I hope he's stlil interested in fixing up the deleted scenes.

how to do the crystal it would need looking into... There is the momment when Yoda steals Lukes Lunch and Luke grabs it back but that is probably unsuitable :(

It was nice to see it in the mock-up handed over by the force though and probably is the way to go as it mystifies the crystal further.... But obviously would need the vote to be confirmed but I would like to see it's inclusion.

could one of the graphics team rotoscope the colour of lukes sabre glowing withinin the stone as it floats across the room and when in his gloved hand the robot one? I don't feel we need to see it after this...

Perhaps I could try this myself but am still learning basic stuff

Atleast that is how I see it in my Imagination....

I could have a go at the rough cut too but there would need to be an alternative take also as a comparison...... Because as you know yourself when you are playing about with video you come up with stuff :)

I'd be happy to see any effort.

So I was thinking, what ever happened to the Imperial Fleet at the end of the movie?  We assume they retreated, but when?  And I know, the anti-GL answer is, "You don't have to spell everything out," but it is a little bizarre.  It would be nice to see the Imperial ships begin retreating when the Executor is destroyed.

I just had a thought what if once the shield was down they took up defensive positions around the orbit of DSII and when DSII goes Bang it tears through the remaing fleet of Star destroyers ect in the process also?

So help me out on these lines....

Yoda back Turned "Somthing For you I have...."

Crystal fles across the room towards luke then we cut to lukes hand holding the crystal....

yoda speaks again over this shot of luke holding the crystal

"Help you it could...Yes"

That could be a fun sight as well.

Oh BTW I have a suggestion about the line "I have a promise to keep for and Old Friend"

Should this now be moved to just before Luke gets to tattooine as he would then be refereincing Han probably cut the the word old though so it is Luke saying to R2 "I have a promise to keep to a friend"

This would also co-inside with "were meeting up with the others" just before this line removing the word not and then into tattooine atmosphere

ray_afraid said:

darth_ender said:

Hey Ray, don't get too worried....

Here's my problem with using PT ships: Why would they be dusting em off and using em now and not during the first DS battle? Surely thy needed the extra help then more than now when they have 2 brand new fighters at their disposal (A's n' B's). Same goes for adding Imperial craft. They got new ships this time out as well, so I don't see any point in shoving new/old ships onto the screen. I'm all for creating new action with the existing RotJ spaceships though. I'd say adding a scene where the B's take out a Stardestroyer is a must!

 

I tHINK THE IDEA IN ROTJ WAS THAT IS WAS MEANT TO BE THE RAG TAG REBELS WITH WHOEVER AND WHATEVER THEY COULD MUSTER LOOK AT THE LOST REBELS ALTHOUGH THEY ONLY DID THIS WITH THE PILOTS.... JUST SAYING I THINK IT WOULD WORK A BIT BUT WOULD NEED TO BE CAREFUL OR LIKE YOU SAY EXCLUDE IT

Ron, that's really not a bad idea at all.  You're on fire today!  As he departs from Dagobah, we could maybe have R2 beep at him, and while we're looking at Luke's display interpreting R2's beeps, we could dub in "Tatooine" (from the end of ESB), then we see Luke's face, "I have a promise to keep...to an old friend."  If I remember correctly, the shot is on his face, and it would be hard to remove old, but I think that'd be okay.

Ray, I see the logic in your statement, but my thought is this: the Rebellion has never been better off, but they are also a conglomeration of various factions and races and formerly independent resistance groups (hence: Rebel Alliance).  While they are able to supply many newer ships, they also realize that this battle is not simply a scrimmage.  They're throwing everything they've got against the Empire, old and new.  If they lose this battle, they really lose everything.

Ok I am also analysing the parting of ways so the falcon goes to the fleet we have it that luke needs to be alone for a while....

Should we have the communication between ships on tattooine atmosphere rather than outer space and Luke goes to the Lars Homestead to watch the suns set and remember his foster parents, to empasise lukes sense of loss we would still see the falcon depart but luke would go there no lines needed just lukes theme and the 2 suns then cut to Emperor and DSII

that visual scene would also make the audio dub obsolete so it would be somwhere he is actally going... I am also thinking more about silhoette of a landed x-wing and luke standing watching across his old ruined home

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So should the sanstorm consume the suns? as the storm rolls in

So the finish this suggestion use only the deleted scene footage as luke walks away to get back in the x-wing looking at his hand after the storm rolls in and consumes the suns... The rest would be as in the original only set within tattooines atmosphere with a wipe directly to the landed x-wing after we see the falcon depart tattooine.

The Sandstorm audio is horrible as the generators blowing the sound are too loud but this is perhaps a use without any  Audio Dubs

darth_ender said:

Ron, that's really not a bad idea at all.  You're on fire today!

He's heating up...

lol burnt out in a blaze of glory...

I think that is as far as I can go with what we have to use but it's a matter of visualizing all this or atleast attempting to and hearing it....

ok well I will give it a shot, any help would be appreciated with mockups still or moving image.. 480p. It does not mean it will be in it's just experimenting and a pre-viz really

just getting the clips and I have had a very controversial thought and sure I will be shot down for this but should the working title for this project be.....

THE LAST OF THE JEDI

please don't kill me....I Just heard Yoda say it and it had a certain more meaningful tone as no Jedi return as such and this is really about the the last of the jedi rather than what happens after the film the title gives it away how it will end in essence but that said it does not show the return of the jedi order so is this a more fitting title?

ray_afraid said:

Ronster said:

Oh BTW I have a suggestion about the line "I have a promise to keep for and Old Friend"

Should this now be moved to just before Luke gets to tattooine as he would then be refereincing Han probably cut the the word old though so it is Luke saying to R2 "I have a promise to keep to a friend"

This would also co-inside with "were meeting up with the others" just before this line removing the word not and then into tattooine atmosphere

Love it!

darth_ender said:

Ray, I see the logic in your statement, but my thought is this: the Rebellion has never been better off, but they are also a conglomeration of various factions and races and formerly independent resistance groups (hence: Rebel Alliance).  While they are able to supply many newer ships, they also realize that this battle is not simply a scrimmage.  They're throwing everything they've got against the Empire, old and new.  If they lose this battle, they really lose everything.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. But, like you've said, some people would be annoyed with the inclusion of PT stuff in the OT. I can take Addy adding the robot in the junk pile, because  to me it's just another robot- doesn't necessarily tie in to the PT really. But when PT spaceships show up in RotJ, my mind has to decide between "those are new fighters, like the A's and B's." or "The PT really happened and this is proof. Godamit I hate Star Wars." Now, the first option doesn't sound too bad, but it runs the risk of becoming like the opening of RotS, a big mess of all kinds of old and new ships everywhere and I dunno who's who. The Rebels have two new fighters on screen along with new capital ships. The Empire has a new fighter as well as the big Super Stardestroyer (not a new ship, but new to battle). I'd say RotJ has enough new space ships in the battle already.

 

When you put it like that it does make me think you are right.... Hmmm, anyway I am all for expanded space battle but lets tread carefully with the PT ships please

The main problem with the Rebels is that the movies make it seem that the Rebels made their own ships. Like when they started, they made a whole bunch of X-Wings, a whole bunch of Y-Wings, a whole bunch of those clamshell transports and a few Corvettes. But it really wouldn't be that way. Showing a conglomeration of ships would just make the rebels seem more realistic. They're not like one big military faction. They're pieced together by many different races and planets, so their fleet should reflect that.

but that's what I mean. It seems like the ships were made specifically for them, and not second-hand ships bought off a used lot. 

But that's alright, absolutely. But it's unrealistic that they get ALL their ships (and enough to be a threat) from the same people. Especially capital ships, which they apparently only have a dozen or so - barely enough to compete with legions of Star Destroyers. 

What I'm saying is that yes, it makes perfect sense that sympathetic corporations would fund the Rebellion. However, it would make sense that they have a greater variety of ships due to the nature of the group - which is a conglomeration of many different small factions. 

It would be like five different militaries banding together, but deciding to only use one type of plane while they could use ALL of their different kinds and brands of planes instead.