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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released) — Page 4

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Wow ... major generosity.


One more thing - can anyone post me a copy of the isolated score track for Empire in AC3 format? You can post it here or email it to me at tygerbug at yahoo.com. It's on the Editdroid Empire DVD I believe.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Some of those I've mentioned above may be reading this. You probably have rough encodes of Jedi going, or have done SOME work on it.


Alright, I've just officially had my arse kicked into action.

I'll get to work right away...

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Heheh.


In sadder news, this filter still has done absolutely nothing to remove the DV artifacts. I don't know what to do. I don't really want to release ESB this way because the carbon freezing chamber scenes don't look that great, and I don't want to roll back the edit back to the pink saber to fix that.

I have one other idea (using a completely different codec to render it), but I don't know if anything's going to work on these things, so I may just have to let it be. Ah well.
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I got it! I got it to work ... all right.

Right now I'm rendering everything using the Motion JPEG codec rather than DV. It looks good. I can spot the tiniest bit of JPEG compression perhaps on the black bars ... but even that I'm not sure about. It looks nice, and it transfers to M2V well.

My test was "I love you/I know" and that is a huge improvement of course, it looked awful before. I've cracked the code now. No damn artifacts on all the reds, just lovely Empireness.

What I think I'm going to do now is render possibly the whole thing over again as motion JPEG, or the material around the carbon freezing material at the very least, pretty much the whole ending actually. Knowing me, the whole thing.

Whenever I do this again, I'm going to use any codec other than DV, as DV has just been this huge ugly mess for anything that wasn't DV to begin with. Motion JPEG I think is all right because it doesn't seem to be insanely hard drive space intensive ... but I'll learn about that now I guess.
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garrett, if you're going to use a new codec, go for huffyuv in RGB mode. a full film runs to between 50-80gb depending on picture information. there is no artifacting like in DV.
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Here is a cover I have been toying with... initially this was just going to be a generic cover. With a little modifications it turned out pretty nice for the ocpmovie_esb... should be really easy to duplicate for the first one.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/Coov/ocpmovie-esb.jpg

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Originally posted by: tellan
garrett, if you're going to use a new codec, go for huffyuv in RGB mode. a full film runs to between 50-80gb depending on picture information. there is no artifacting like in DV.
AFAIK huffyuv is Windows only.

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coov, that cover is exceptional.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Beautiful, Coov, minimal and beautiful. I highly approve. Bring on the download.


If people really want more information on the cover than that, I suppose they could add a little something in small print in the black space - but that'd be a shame, the black space looks nice. =)


Great cover.

Love to see it for the first one, with poster D on there.


Meanwhile - I was wondering about HuffyUV, yeah, Windows only I guess. Too bad. But PhotoJPEG is working fine.
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ocpmovie, quick question about the soundtrack of your edit. Did you fix the messed up music cues that were in the original edition of ESB, that were fixed for the SE(the ONLY good change ever made IMO), or did you just leave them alone?
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Can't see a need for more details on the DVD cover art. I think we know what's inside.

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I used the original 35mm track with no real changes. But I'm still syncing it up, so I may be able to take requests if you want anything changed.

Why, what would you like to hear in there from the SE? I'm not that familiar with the missing/messed up music cues, although it's been mentioned earlier in the 70mm thread I think ....
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ocpmovie, Moth3er's ESB is on its way to you in the mail and I've put the isolated score ac3 file on my iDisk. You can get it at my website, which I think you've already visited, in the files section. Enjoy!

You can go about your business. Move along, move along.

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ocp, when ESB was originally edited, the editor totally screwed with the John Williams score during the scene where Leia, Chewie, Lando, and the Droids are trying to chase down Boba Fett in a last ditch effort to save Han right before he takes off in the Slave I. I assume you have Wookiee Groomer's split screen edition of ESB, and if you FF to that particular scene you can listen for yourself, and hear the difference. It's totally out of whack, basically. With the original cues it takes away from the tenson of the scene and just sounds like a real hackjob edit, the music just stops pre-mature right after Fett takes off and leaves the scene feeling flat, when it should be tragic. The music is messed up like that in a few other scenes too.

The only one I can think of off the top of my head though is right before Luke confronts Vader, in the Carbon Freezeing Chamber, you hear a "gong" from an abandoned music cue that scored the fight scene between Luke. Wisely, Lucas chose to not score the LS duel, but you can still hear a remnant of that cue when first Luke rises into the unlit freezing chamber right before Vader says "the force is with you young Skywalker,...." This cue is out of place, and just sounds stupid.

Although, these screwy cues are techincally part of the OOT they are legit screw-up's, none the less, and if your interested in doing little things like reversing Pietts credetials to the correct side of his shirt ect ect, I just thought I'd bring that to your attention.

All the music cues were corrected for the SE release of ESB.
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Interesting. That may reveal one or two small extra SE sound effects in the Fett segment (who knows), but I'll use the SE version if it's better.

I will need a full list of these changes, if anyone knows 'em all. Someone mentioned a transition in one of the Yoda scenes ....
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This is what Trooperman posted in the 70mm thread.

"I like the 70mm mix not only because of the alternate/additional dubs and effects, but because of the original music. The best example of this is the cue after Yoda’s “That is why you fail.” In the 70mm, JW’s wonderful transition is intact. It was hacked in favor of more tracked music in the 35mm. Which I hate."
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I find this fascinating in an odd way, where can I find the 70mm soundtrack as opposed to the 35mm? Cause I want to make note of all the changes.



EDIT : Never mind, I realize that I already have the 35mm soundtrack and the 70mm.

As I understand, the 35 was used for most LD releases and the 70 was used for the SE, right ?Does anyone have a ESBOT LD that features the 70mm soundtrack? That way you can get a 70mm without SE BS on it.
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The 70mm mix was never released on home video, and I don't think it was ever bootlegged either. Until the SE no one had really heard it since its frequent theatrical screening in 1980.

Here are two threads about the differences.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1765&STARTPAGE=1

http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=8&c=29

The 70mm and SE contain a lot of little extra lines of dialogue. The 70mm would have been completed before the 35mm, so these lines were deleted or replaced for the 35 for some reason.

But as far as I know no one has documented the music changes .... which would come in really handy right now.


As far as the CE goes, rendering it out in VideoJPEG resulted in some oddness - every edit point was suddenly off by two frames, or between one and eight frames. This made all the careful compositing and FX work I'd done now useless and screwed up (as even the still frames were suddenly on the wrong frame.)

It was a simple matter to fix the less complicated edits, like the carbon freezing chamber, so I'll be rendering those out in videoJPEG, but for my own convenience the other edits (where the DV artifacts were less visible) will remain in DV form. Shouldn't make much difference as the major sins of the DV version will be fixed.

I also fixed Vader's lightsaber a bit more in a few shots where people had complained it wasn't bright or contrasty enough on the '04 DVDs.



What's going to be a real bitch is syncing up the audio though now. I guess I'm going to have to render out the entire damn movie again straight from the test DVD, and sync to that.

Again.

Onward and upward! This is turning out to be more complicated than I thought, but at least I know what to do if I ever have to do this again.

Haven't even thought about the menus yet.
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Where did you get your 35mm soundtrack from, LD?

I don't know how much work you've done on the soundtrack so far, but I'd suggest using the '97 SE soundrack (70mm) for most of the edit. And then all you'd have to edit out would be the "Alert my Star Destroyer....." and the one sound effect of Vader shuttle landing, and "you were lucky to get out of there." Cause the 97 soundtrack is of higher quality, it should easily match the 2004 print, and editing those pieces above would be way easier then trying to correct music cues.

That is unless you want the 35mm soundtack for a reason I'm not aware of.
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"As far as the CE goes, rendering it out in VideoJPEG resulted in some oddness - every edit point was suddenly off by two frames, or between one and eight frames. This made all the careful compositing and FX work I'd done now useless and screwed up (as even the still frames were suddenly on the wrong frame.)"

Perhaps you are going between 24 and 30 fps? (Just a thought)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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The 35mm soundtrack is very very different from the 70mm actually, it's not just a couple lines. It's a lot of things. Those who want the 70mm soundtrack can watch the '97 special edition! The 35mm version is the one that's being forgotten, and thus needs to be preserved.

Even if it's hell to sync.


I can tell some frames have gone AWOL during transitions from scene to scene. Few frames missing from the ends of wipes and that. Oh well.

It's looking good though, the picture is releasable now. I used the Photo JPEG version for most of it.


I think I'm going to include one little deleted line that isn't in either version (or any released version). It's in the carbon freezing scene. It might be silly to include it in a serious scene, but we'll see how it plays.