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An Experiment in Inducting a SW newbie. — Page 4

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She really didn't have a whole lot to say about characters until we got to Empire.  There was some stuff early on about Anakin being emo and a jerk but she forgave him because of his pretty hair.

With Empire, she had a pretty strong reaction to Han and Lando.  She laughed appropriately to Han and Leia's banter and said she really liked Han because he was a cool jerk instead of the douche bag jerk Anakin was.  Really got into the love story and didn't start wincing at all the kissing scenes as she did in episode II.  Now, while she didn't have anything negative to say about Han's character in Jedi, I think she did kinda loose interest in the love story this time because she once again reacted negatively to Han and Leia's scene at the end where she tell's him Luke is her brother and they smooch and cuddle with their new Ewok friend.  

I could tell she really got into Lando because of how strong she reacted to him betraying them.  Although she didn't say anything specifically about him.  Also, as I said earlier, she stated that she felt sorry for Vader during Empire because she knew what had happened in the prequels.

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What Lucas has wanted is essentially a Bond-like franchise where there can be infinite adventures all under one brand name. Then all of the fans will simply go and see the new adventure simply because it has the logo.

What he doesn't realize is that while the original Bond films didn't go in the order of the books, they all (save You Only Live Twice) had strong connections to their source material. And in the continuing films, there was a loose continuity with what had gone on before.

Beginning with ROTJ and even ESB to an extent everything became interwoven in order to form the idea of what is now called "the saga". And no, by the time of ROTJ's pre-production I don't think the principals involved really "wanted" to be there, but were there out of obligation to the story and to the fact that the revenues would be unbelievable. Thus everything that you think would happen or could conceive of does not occur and we are left with a definite feeling of lacking in the conclusion. Case in point: Harrison Ford pretty much begs to get his character killed off. If that doesn't show you that you have problems with your story then I don't know what does.

I still haven't made up my mind how I would introduce someone to Star Wars. It certainly wouldn't have anything to do with the prequels. Overall, it would be best to view the OOT and then the 97s if people wanted to see some changes that were made.

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My real goal is to find someone who doesn't know Vader is Luke's father.  Then things will get interesting.  Then it will be straight original trilogy, all Harmy's Despecialized Editions, of which the awesomeness bleeds all the way over to this thread.

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Darth Bizarro: Best avatar, or best avatar ever?

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TV's Frink said:

Darth Bizarro: Best avatar, or best avatar ever?

Maybe if the tie could spin.

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Darth Bizarro said:


She really didn't have a whole lot to say about characters until we got to Empire.  There was some stuff early on about Anakin being emo and a jerk but she forgave him because of his pretty hair.


Fabio standing on a sun-drenched cliff with wind blowing through his hair.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:


She really didn't have a whole lot to say about characters until we got to Empire.  There was some stuff early on about Anakin being emo and a jerk but she forgave him because of his pretty hair.


Fabio standing on a sun-drenched cliff with wind blowing through his hair.

 

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Your sister brings utterly bizarre imagery to mind, Bizarro Darth. She must be giving off some weird psychic vibes!

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Anchorhead said:

Darth Bizarro said:

After many years, I was finally able to convince…

I think that statement is by far the most telling of the whole deal.  If someone needs years of convincing before they watch the films, they probably aren’t the best example of how someone will view Star Wars for the first time.

Prior reluctance has nothing to do with how a person will experience and accept the films. For example, I didn’t want to have anything to do with Star Wars until I was like 14. Then I somehow decided to give it a try. Since then OT are my favourite films.

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Is no one else upset by the idea of showing someone Star Wars Revisited for their first viewing?

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It’s really not though. I don’t understand why Lucas catches shit for stuffing the thing with unnecessary effects tweaks but when Adywan does it he’s a genius.

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joefavs said:

It’s really not though. I don’t understand why Lucas catches shit for stuffing the thing with unnecessary effects tweaks but when Adywan does it he’s a genius.

This probably isn’t the place to debate (and it’s a debate that’s been had many times before), but Lucas “catches shit” because he suppressed the original versions. This site pretty much exists because of that. If he just made the special edition in addition to the theatricals, no one here would care. As is, we have every right to be angry that the official versions have CGI bullshit.

And that’s not to mention the fact that most of Ady’s changes are simply fixing continuity errors and effects gaffes while Lucas added truly idiotic stuff like a poorly animated dinosaur covering the ENTIRE frame for a solid second or two. So yes, Ady’s version is MUCH better and it’s a preferable alternative to the SE, though obviously something like Harmy’s would be the ideal.

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DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

It’s really not though. I don’t understand why Lucas catches shit for stuffing the thing with unnecessary effects tweaks but when Adywan does it he’s a genius.

This probably isn’t the place to debate (and it’s a debate that’s been had many times before), but Lucas “catches shit” because he suppressed the original versions. This site pretty much exists because of that. If he just made the special edition in addition to the theatricals, no one here would care. As is, we have every right to be angry that the official versions have CGI bullshit.

And that’s not to mention the fact that most of Ady’s changes are simply fixing continuity errors and effects gaffes while Lucas added truly idiotic stuff like a poorly animated dinosaur covering THE ENTIRE frame for a solid second or two.

I stated that poorly, I know that that’s exactly why. But I don’t see why blinking Greedo and inserting shots from the Battle of Endor into the battle of Yavin and awkwardly shoehorning in a Jar Jar death scene are seen as somehow not as dumb.

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joefavs said:

I don’t see why blinking Greedo and inserting shots from the Battle of Endor into the battle of Yavin and awkwardly shoehorning in a Jar Jar death scene are seen as somehow not as dumb.

That scene wasn’t in the version I watched.

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Adywan’s version isn’t pretending to be the original theatrical. The SE’s are.

Some of those Battle For Endor shots are unused footage from ROTJ to begin with.

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I still haven’t watched it front to back, but the extended Alderaan destruction scene that I saw included a cut to Jar Jar and Bail Organa on the surface. If that’s something someone other than Ady added at some point, I apologize for my ignorance.

Look, I get that it’s an impressive achievement for an amateur to pull off, and I guess I can sort of see how it might appeal to others, and if I can get on board with nothing else I appreciate the hell out of the color correction. I just can’t agree with using a fan edit to introduce someone to the movie, especially one that tries so hard to turn it up to 11.

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That extended Alderaan explosion is not in Revisited. And I wasn’t aware that he used Battle of Endor footage so I guess it integrated pretty well.

And the SEs might as well be a fan edit and millions of people have been introduced to Star Wars that way so what can you do.

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I am almost positive that he did not use Battle of Endor footage, and the extended destruction scene was done as a joke. And since he didn’t make any plot changes, I don’t see any difference between showing the SE and Adywan’s version, except that the latter is better.

I get where you’re coming from, though.

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RicOlie_2 said:

I am almost positive that he did not use Battle of Endor footage, and the extended destruction scene was done as a joke. And since he didn’t make any plot changes, I don’t see any difference between showing the SE and Adywan’s version, except that the latter is better.

I get where you’re coming from, though.

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I guess it’s only the one shot. As I’ve said, I’ve never sat down and watched it all the way through, but I’ve seen enough to know it isn’t for me. I dig the color fixes, but the changes are just way too goddamn much.

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imperialscum said:

Anchorhead said:

Darth Bizarro said:

After many years, I was finally able to convince…

I think that statement is by far the most telling of the whole deal.  If someone needs years of convincing before they watch the films, they probably aren’t the best example of how someone will view Star Wars for the first time.

Prior reluctance has nothing to do with how a person will experience and accept the films. For example, I didn’t want to have anything to do with Star Wars until I was like 14. Then I somehow decided to give it a try. Since then OT are my favourite films.

Prior reluctance has a great deal to do with how someone will view the film, particularly if someone else had to spend time trying to convince them to even give the film a chance. Going in jaded or reluctant (for whatever reason), would almost certainly affect on how open they were to it.

Next time you want to take me to task over a difference of opinion, don’t edit my statement to fit your agenda. I’m not asking.

This is the rest of what I said with regard to first-time viewers;

It would be just as interesting to see how someone who heard about them and thought they sounded interesting would views the films and the story.

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It is not a matter of a difference of opinion. I simply provided myself as an example. As I said, it took years for me to even give it a try. Yet my prior reluctance had no negative affect. I loved the films from the first time I saw them.

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