DrCrowTStarwars said:
I fail to see why I should be compared to a nazi.
I wasn't comparing you to a Nazi. I was comparing the act of burying the existence of original Trek to the Nazis burning books they didn't want influencing their culture.
In the end, though, I realize it's a rather dumb comparison in any case, so I'll happily repeal it.
Tobar said:
It had me at warp weasels.
DuracellEnergizer said:
DrCrowTStarwars said:
I fail to see why I should be compared to a nazi.
I wasn't comparing you to a Nazi. I was comparing the act of burying the existence of original Trek to the Nazis burning books they didn't want influencing their culture.
In the end, though, I realize it's a rather dumb comparison in any case, so I'll happily repeal it.
Thank you.
DuracellEnergizer said:
DrCrowTStarwars said:
I fail to see why I should be compared to a nazi.
I wasn't comparing you to a Nazi. I was comparing the act of burying the existence of original Trek to the Nazis burning books they didn't want influencing their culture.
In the end, though, I realize it's a rather dumb comparison in any case, so I'll happily repeal it.
I don't want to see old Star Trek gone forever, I was just wondering if maybe doing a Disney style strategic release would help the movies at the box office.
I mean I am a huge fan and even I feel a little swamped by the number of Star Trek, films, tv shows, books, comics, and games out there. It's hard to get excited about every new product out there when there is so much of it already out there. I mean one of the reasons people are so excited about the next Star Wars movie is that it will only be the seventh movie in the series, Star Trek now has 12 plus five Tv shows.
Films only make huge amounts of money if they are events, look at the Marvel films there are so many of them that unless the film is seen as something special like an Avengers or GOTG then they all make about what the last Star Trek film makes. I really think Paramount is making all the money there is to make on a series that has such regular releases.
I don't think Disney's movie moratoriums mean as much as they did in the days of VHS. It's not that difficult to find used DVD's. Star Wars was on video by the time ROTJ came out. Enterprising fans were watching the VHS while in line!
Trek isn't even on tv as much as it used to be. Unless you get certain cable channels like BBC America, you won't see it at all. We're far removed from the days when TNG and DS9 were both running, and you had a Trek feature film in theaters while a series was still in production.
Trek's 50th anniversary could be a big event, if Paramount doesn't screw it up.
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Yeah you do have a point. Still METV play TOS every week too so there is that.
I do get your point and I think you may be right still I don't think it would hurt for Paramount to promote the new cast a little more. Also I see Wrath of Khan and Voyage Home DvDs in Food Lion these days so it does kind of feel like you run into the old cast everywhere you go. At least to me it does. That can't do the new cast any favors.
Still I get your point, maybe I just feel like Star trek is everywhere right now. You are right it is not as bad as it was in the 90s.
A completely random question - does anybody here know ALL the variations of the Enterprise NCC 1701 model? I mean I know the original Cage model had those spiky things on the front of the nacelles, then sometimes they changed the back part of the nacelles (in some shots they looked like lightbulbs, in others completely different) and of course they built a completely new model for the movies, but does anybody know what changes and when were done to the original model? I noticed only the changes on both sides of the nacelles, but I think there were more of them
pittrek said:
A completely random question - does anybody here know ALL the variations of the Enterprise NCC 1701 model?
I have the perfect answer, but Frink would suffer a breakdown were I to give it.
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I watch the original series on METV on Saturday nights. They air the "remastered" versions with the cgi effects though. It bugs me. I've never seen the originals, but every time I see an unaltered clip, it looks so much cooler than the boring new shots! So much more style going on!
What makes it even worse to me, is that METV is an "all classic" TV station. So shouldn't they air the shows as they were originally?
I'm preparing an e-mail about this.
I'm also preparing for disappointment.
The pilot Enterprise had a larger bridge module, larger deflector dish, solid red spiked nacelle caps, and holes in back of the nacelles. When they got picked up, they upgraded the model to have lighting, so they ended up changing all that. So there are really only two versions, they just used the pilot version in the series if they had a stock shot of it doing what they needed it to do that week.
They also used a few AMT model kits, but that's beside the point.
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Ray, the entire reason the Remastered exists is for syndication. MeTV actually showed the new versions first run. So I wouldn't expect a good reaction from them.
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pittrek said:
A completely random question - does anybody here know ALL the variations of the Enterprise NCC 1701 model? I mean I know the original Cage model had those spiky things on the front of the nacelles, then sometimes they changed the back part of the nacelles (in some shots they looked like lightbulbs, in others completely different) and of course they built a completely new model for the movies, but does anybody know what changes and when were done to the original model? I noticed only the changes on both sides of the nacelles, but I think there were more of them
They continued to use stock footage of the model even after changes were made to her. Not to mention the three foot version was often used for certain shots. A shame it's still missing.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constitution_class_model_%28original%29
When I was a kid, I rationalized that the "bulbs" pop out when the ship is in orbit for some reason. ;)
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doubleofive said:
The pilot Enterprise had a larger bridge module, larger deflector dish, solid red spiked nacelle caps, and holes in back of the nacelles. When they got picked up, they upgraded the model to have lighting, so they ended up changing all that. So there are really only two versions, they just used the pilot version in the series if they had a stock shot of it doing what they needed it to do that week.
They also used a few AMT model kits, but that's beside the point.
AFAIK, they only used the AMT kits for The Doomsday Machine to represent the wrecked USS Constellation. (The one exception might be the Enterprise as seen through the K-7 office windows in The Trouble With Tribbles.) Funny how scorching a model with a cricket lighter to simulate hull damage was a technique used well into the TNG era!
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I love that buying an AMT model kit is technically "screen-accurate"!
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ILM did the same thing once there were Star Wars model kits on the market. ;)
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ray_afraid said:
I watch the original series on METV on Saturday nights. They air the "remastered" versions with the cgi effects though. It bugs me. I've never seen the originals, but every time I see an unaltered clip, it looks so much cooler than the boring new shots! So much more style going on!
What makes it even worse to me, is that METV is an "all classic" TV station. So shouldn't they air the shows as they were originally?
I'm preparing an e-mail about this.
I'm also preparing for disappointment.
Well it doesn't bug me because there was a reason for that. They only went the CGI route because the original negatives for the special effects shots were lost so those could not be restored and broadcast in HD like the rest of the content. it's not METV's fault that is what Paramount has been giving all Tv stations because the old effects shots look really jarring when put in with the restored film.
Still they have not removed the old effects shots, on the DvDs and Blu Rays you can still select them as an option when you watch the show, it's only in syndication that they are gone. It's not like Paramount did a Lucas, the CGI is just an option if you want to see the original effects you can.
Thanks guys, especially for the memory alpha link.
The reason why I asked was that I've seen this video today : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA8D5lK8guE
ray_afraid said:
I watch the original series on METV on Saturday nights. They air the "remastered" versions with the cgi effects though. It bugs me. I've never seen the originals, but every time I see an unaltered clip, it looks so much cooler than the boring new shots! So much more style going on!
I know what you mean. The only un-remastered episode I've been able to see within recent memory has been "The Cage". =(
I don't mind the revamped effects -- unlike the changes with the SEs, they don't ruin the universe or take me out of the viewing experience -- but it would be nice for me to see the original versions as they were when first broadcast.
Amazon Prime has the original versions.
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pittrek said:
Thanks guys, especially for the memory alpha link.
The reason why I asked was that I've seen this video today : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA8D5lK8guE
Even in her current state she's still beautiful. I wish I could see her in person again.
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DuracellEnergizer said:
ray_afraid said:
I watch the original series on METV on Saturday nights. They air the "remastered" versions with the cgi effects though. It bugs me. I've never seen the originals, but every time I see an unaltered clip, it looks so much cooler than the boring new shots! So much more style going on!
I know what you mean. The only un-remastered episode I've been able to see within recent memory has been "The Cage". =(
I don't mind the revamped effects -- unlike the changes with the SEs, they don't ruin the universe or take me out of the viewing experience -- but it would be nice for me to see the original versions as they were when first broadcast.
You can pick the the early two episode DVD releases pretty cheap on Ebay these days. Was watching a couple the other night, and they still look good, especially compared to what I saw on tv as a kid. :)
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DrCrowTStarwars said:
...They only went the CGI route because the original negatives for the special effects shots were lost so those could not be restored and broadcast in HD like the rest of the content...
Explain the original shots being used in the blu-ray's then...
SilverWook said:
You can pick the the early two episode DVD releases pretty cheap on Ebay these days. Was watching a couple the other night, and they still look good, especially compared to what I saw on tv as a kid. :)
That's fine if you like old transfers. If you want a pre-cgi transfer that looks decent, look up either the japanese star trek laserdisc sets (Log 1, Log 2 and Log 3 for each season) or the 2007 european "Star Trek: The Original Series - The Collector's Edition" dvd set. Both use the same transfer, and before the post 2007 cgi releases were considered the best looking sources. Note that these transfers may or may not be more consistant than the blu-rays with "original shots" mode on. I heard that the ladder was done in a way similar to our communitys despecialized, mixing the post 2007 cgi transfer (used for most footage) with a new transfer of the original footage that may or may not be either HD or restored in any way (used only for the shots that had changes in the post 2007 cgi transfer). Can anybody correct me on that last point, if possible?
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Danfun128 said:
DrCrowTStarwars said:
...They only went the CGI route because the original negatives for the special effects shots were lost so those could not be restored and broadcast in HD like the rest of the content...
Explain the original shots being used in the blu-ray's then...
They don't have the separate effects elements, only the final composite. They can scan the composites in HD and show them to you (as you note: they do), but they can't scan the original elements to recomposite for a remastered look.