All Things Star Trek — Page 102

Joachim could have been thawed out first and we only see Khan inside a cryo tube. (Using an image of Montalban.) That could have worked. But I’m sure the suits at Paramount would have shot that idea down.

Ironically, the people I know who have never seen TWOK, and are only passingly familiar with TOS think STID is great.

Tobar said:

Now it would seem instead of meeting Kirk Prime, it’s about Kirk meeting his dad, Thor.

That is stupid! They just closed up the Kirk daddy issues story line quite nicely, why re-open this can of worms? As I have stated, this is not my brand of “Star Trek”.

Remember how the original script was thrown out for being too “Star Trek-y” and everyone pitched a fit? Let’s not complain that they’re bringing it back. 😉

If Chris Hemworth wasn’t famous now, would they even be considering this idea?

The main reason that the original television cast films were appealing to me is that they are nostalgic beyond just the story telling. These “J.J. Trek” films just don’t have that important quality.

Possessed said:

How prominent is sulu being gay in terms of being shown?

I don’t care for me it doesn’t bother me at all but I’m going to see it with my grandpa. He’s been a diehard trekkie since TOS but he thinks homosexuality is wrong. He a never hateful or rude about it and would never put someone down for being gay, I just wonder how much behind-the-scenes bitching I’ll have to endure.

It’s a barely noticeable, blink-and-you’ll-miss-it background detail.

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All that happens is that Sulu puts his arm around a man and they walk off into the background with their daughter, so without prior knowledge of official statements, it could easily be Sulu walking away with his brother or another relative. I read somewhere that there was supposed to be a scene where they kiss, but it was cut.
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Yeah, my buddy Mike did when they were still involved.

http://trek.fm/commentary-trek-stars/87

Well, I saw the Beyond tonight, and I like it more than STID. Lots of little touches throughout that gave it a TOS flavor, and a scene towards the end that brought a tear to this old Trekker’s eye.

I’ll digress more when there’s less chance of spoiling it for anyone else.

And not a lens flare in sight! 😉

With Beyond being released, I marathoned the Trek films, all 13. Here is my ranking, with X/10 ratings. (Here’s my Letterbox’d list if you want something more visual.)

1. The Wrath of Khan - 8
2. The Voyage Home - 8
3. Beyond - 8
4. Star Trek 2009 - 8
5. The Search for Spock - 7
6. The Undiscovered Country - 7
7. The Motion Picture - 7
8. First Contact - 6
9. Into Darkness - 6
10. Insurrection - 6
11. Generations - 5
12. The Final Frontier - 4
13. Nemesis - 3

General comments…

Except for Nemesis, these are all enjoyable sci-fi flicks. Even the duds are still fun to a degree.

I forgot how solid the TOS cast movies are. The stories are great and I loved the the three-film arc with Spock. And holy hell they would never make a movie like Voyage Home nowadays. No villain, no action, all plot, barely even set in space, with some goofy comic relief? Studio execs would die laughing if you tried to pitch that script today.

TNG movies suffer from ridiculous writing.  The cast did the best they possibly could with what they were given, but they deserved such better. You know shit be bad when the best film includes a scene of Picard in a white tux shooting a 1930s style machine gun at a Borg in some hologram simulation bullshit.

NuTrek has been solid so far. Abrams’ biggest flaw is overuse of “homages” (<-- sarcastic air quotes) to Wrath of Khan. But he damn sure knows how to make a fun flick.

Oh also I highly recommend TM2YC’s fanedit of TMP, “Star Trek: Reunion”. Best fanedit I’ve seen in a while.

Personal nitpicks aside, I thought Beyond was a enjoyable movie. It unfortunately opened in a really cluttered summer market, and I don’t think the ads conveyed anything but the action.

And underneath it all, Gene’s optimistic vision of a bright future is still there. I think he would be pretty happy about that.

I completely agree. I think it’s one of the best summer flicks, along with Captain America: Civil War. It suffers from some of the same flaws as most modern action films (shaky cam, heroes survive impossibly, trying too hard to be cool) but man they sure nailed it with the main characters and the world the story is set in. I can understand the criticisms for it but I loved it.

Beyond is my favorite film to come out this year so far, above 10 Cloverfield Lane and Civil War. I have my problems with Star Trek: The Star Trek (2009), and definitely with Into Darkness, but I’ll defend this film to the death.

I can understand people not liking the new cast as much as the old, but things like “Gene’s rolling in his grave!” just baffle me. Like the Wookiee said, his optimistic vision is definitely there if you look Beyond the action. 😉

Well, J.J. just had to go off and direct that pesky Star Wars thing, didn’t he? 😉

suspiciouscoffee said:

Possessed said:

How prominent is sulu being gay in terms of being shown?

I don’t care for me it doesn’t bother me at all but I’m going to see it with my grandpa. He’s been a diehard trekkie since TOS but he thinks homosexuality is wrong. He a never hateful or rude about it and would never put someone down for being gay, I just wonder how much behind-the-scenes bitching I’ll have to endure.

It’s a barely noticeable, blink-and-you’ll-miss-it background detail.

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All that happens is that Sulu puts his arm around a man and they walk off into the background with their daughter, so without prior knowledge of official statements, it could easily be Sulu walking away with his brother or another relative. I read somewhere that there was supposed to be a scene where they kiss, but it was cut.
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Yep, it’s literally one shot in the entire movie. It obviously has an agenda but for those who were against it, it wasn’t very in-your-face and it doesn’t feel like it was even written that way originally.