Aalenfae's PREQUEL TRILOGY (Heavily delayed - computer exploded) — Page 12

That could be good as well.  And even then, perhaps not that difficult.  Just show a guy in a dark robe doing the fighting, and aalenfae wouldn't have to find a Hayden lookalike.  I just always pictured most of the murders done while Vader was armored.

Of course, the difficulty with this scenario is how aalenfae would work it into the existing plot.  Might be difficult to alter the explanations for things.  But maybe not.  I dunno.  I really like the idea of keeping Padme alive on Alderaan, but how to split the kids if she's still alive and Vader is undefeated and the Jedi still live...?

darth_ender said:

That could be good as well.  And even then, perhaps not that difficult.  Just show a guy in a dark robe doing the fighting, and aalenfae wouldn't have to find a Hayden lookalike.  I just always pictured most of the murders done while Vader was armored.

Of course, the difficulty with this scenario is how aalenfae would work it into the existing plot.  Might be difficult to alter the explanations for things.  But maybe not.  I dunno.  I really like the idea of keeping Padme alive on Alderaan, but how to split the kids if she's still alive and Vader is undefeated and the Jedi still live...?

The Jedi don't live though....?

What I mean is Leia goes to Alderaan (with Padme?).  Luke goes to Tatooine.  Vader kills lots of Jedi.  Obi-wan and Vader duel.  Why would Bail, Obi-wan, and Yoda be having this sort of retreat if the Jedi haven't yet been defeated.

That's why you would have to pick your Vader doing the purge thing footage with care.

That way the other Jedi could have done the same thing that Ben and Yoda do but have been rooted out and exterminated at a later date.

The footage of Jedi being gunned down leading clone troopers wouldn't work unless extensively modified but some of the others could be used with only slight modifications.

darth_ender said:

What I mean is Leia goes to Alderaan (with Padme?).  Luke goes to Tatooine.  Vader kills lots of Jedi.  Obi-wan and Vader duel.  Why would Bail, Obi-wan, and Yoda be having this sort of retreat if the Jedi haven't yet been defeated.

No.....my suggestion was Vader kills Jedi, we just show him do it over a longer stretch of time. Then he goes to Mustafar, then Padme finds him, final duel, and then Bail Obi-Wan and Yoda retreat. Sorry if that was unclear.

Well, that makes sense.  But then Padme could never be too pregnant throughout the movie till the end.  Even 9 months isn't very long to kill all the Jedi masters yourself, and she's pregnant when she meets him on Mustafar.  Making the babies come sooner would not only mean shrinking her tummy, but also explaining a number of plot difficulties, such as why she'd fear have the babies without him knowing, why Obi-wan is present, etc.  So I guess a storyline like you indicate would mean aalenfae would need to shrink her belly for much of the movie.

While detracting from the Ben/Ani climax, it still seems easier and more justifiable to include at least something in the end (I would imagine a several year project hunting down the Jedi).  Perhaps Order 66 would remain where it is now, albeit given by Anakin instead of Palpatine, and of course a tad shorter.  Then have armored Anakin/Vader continue killing off more Jedi afterwards.  This way many of the Jedi wouldn't even know who their assassin really was anyway, maintaining the galactic mystery of, "Who the heck is Palpatine's new henchman?"

darth_ender said:

Well, that makes sense.  But then Padme could never be too pregnant throughout the movie till the end.  Even 9 months isn't very long to kill all the Jedi masters yourself, and she's pregnant when she meets him on Mustafar.  Making the babies come sooner would not only mean shrinking her tummy, but also explaining a number of plot difficulties, such as why she'd fear have the babies without him knowing, why Obi-wan is present, etc.  So I guess a storyline like you indicate would mean aalenfae would need to shrink her belly for much of the movie.

While detracting from the Ben/Ani climax, it still seems easier and more justifiable to include at least something in the end (I would imagine a several year project hunting down the Jedi).  Perhaps Order 66 would remain where it is now, albeit given by Anakin instead of Palpatine, and of course a tad shorter.  Then have armored Anakin/Vader continue killing off more Jedi afterwards.  This way many of the Jedi wouldn't even know who their assassin really was anyway, maintaining the galactic mystery of, "Who the heck is Palpatine's new henchman?"

8 months is more then enough time to kill all the Jedi...hell, I think 2 weeks is more then enough. There's like what, 200 Jedi? 300? And an infinite number of clone troopers. 

Well, I guess I imagined Vader personally killing or at least leading the charge on most of them.  And considering that many would hide out and require a powerful Force user to find them and personally kill them, I always imagined it taking years.  And while 8 months could be enough in a compressed extermination, by the end of the movie as it now stands we don't have 8 months, we don't even have 1.  I guess the only solution is for aalenfae to shrink her belly and allow the movie to appear to take place in a much shorter time frame.  We can then assume Anakin hunts them while Padme has the kids.  Thinking about it, he'd have to completely cut her from Mustafar it seems.  I think she'd have to flee after Obi-wan tells her what Anakin's done, and she'd have to believe him.

I know this is aalenfae's movie, so I feel kind of bad carrying on like this, but it's an interesting idea.  Perhaps we should move this to the radical redux thread.  I feel like I would need to think more on how to make it fit, but I don't want to use up his thread too much on this...unless he really thinks this is a fantastic idea of course ;)

It would take more than a few hundred Jedi just to run that huge building in the capital, let alone all those fighting off world and meditating in caves etc.

This a problem with the PT.

While Mace is probably right about there not being enough Jedi to fight a Galactic war, they have maintained the peace for a thousand generations and have a lot of kit and personnel.

By focusing largely on that silly round table room for the majority of the time you never get a sense of scale to the organisation.

The Senate had a handful of people representing sometimes more than one planet.

You get the impression that there were more Jedi from each planet than political representatives look at the scale of the Senate chamber, and the Temple appears to be bigger than that.

And the Temple doesn't house the entire order.

With no more Clone Wars to fight that would free up a lot of troops as most of the Separatist personnel were easy to switch off droids.

But the Jedi are trained to hide.

Some great discussion going on here, and I would love to respond to it all.

Just know that I am carefully reading everything you all are saying, and new ideas are already marinating in my mind.


I'm posting to let everybody know...
I'm finally heading back to college, so work on my edit will resume!

I'll have new videos up within 48 hours, hopefully.  

http://vimeo.com/35617637

New (entirely incomplete audio and visuals) video!

I mainly wanted to test this idea I had for these scenes. Thoughts? 

BarBar Jinkx said:

I always HATED the way SLJ delivered the line "A Sith lord?" and in any edit I do that is usually the first thing to go! have you tried the scene without it?

Hi Aalenfae, first off, I've been watching this thread (and Bob's) closely anxiously awaiting these releases, thank you for your time and efforts!  Things are looking great!

Second off, in the above mentioned quoted text, what about having SLJ say "A Sith...." and his voice trails off in contemplation?  Have a worried look on his face after the line delivery?  (slow down audio/video for greatest effect - but not so much to look like it's slowed down - just more of a silent pause as the full force of this revelation hits him - no pun intended)

Also, what do you think about SLJ's "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi." especially in this recent edit?  Do you feel that it is necessary exposition for the later Windu/Palp fight when Windu feels the need to murder him?  Or is it redundant with Anakin's revelation?

Thanks again for your hard work, I'm really looking forward to this edit!

I imagine the Jedi would treat a Sith Lord the same way a Jesuit exorcist would treat a 'possessed' individual.

They would have rules of conduct and rituals to protect their minds from their deceptive tricks.

Perhaps (if it is possible) some sort of manufactured line after Windu detects the fear and confusion in Anakin along the lines of "these are weapons he will use against us" would both help explain why Windu has been such a jerk to Anakin up until now but also make Anakin feel more sidelined. 

Would it be possible to have SLJ say "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi" before he learns the Chancellor is a Sith Lord.  That way he seems slightly more prophetic than just stating the obvious.  Also I don't know how difficult this could prove but could "Sith Lord" be changed to almost anything else "Dark Jedi" "uses the dark side of the force", almost anything.  It just sounds too much like an official label for something that should be much more vague.  There haven't been Sith for so long that the term Sith should by itself imply all the necessary danger.

Yeah, it's definitely rushed. I'm working on finding shots to flesh out the timing a little bit more. 
This video was really a proof-of-concept rather than an actual finished edit. I just wanted to see if I could pull off something like this.

 I'm actually thinking of using "we must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive".
I already used it, but I had trouble making it look like he was actually saying that line with the camera so close on his face.

 

Aalenfae, you mentioned getting Padme to Alderaan: what about Padme delivering the twins on Alderaan in the first place?  (haven't figured out all the details of why is she dying, and could this work with Anakin Jedi hunting before Mustafar, etc - but who better to figure those details out than this group...)

I actually don't think a reason needs to be given for how and why Padme dies.  She goes to Alderaan in hiding with Bail, and we can assume from Leia's words in ROTJ that she dies young from grief.  This happens in "real life" as emotional and mental stresses can cause people to just let go...  Sometimes everything doesn't have to be explained to still be a good story  :)  That way you can also do away with Medical Droid lines completely if you wanted to.

Side note: Anakin's dreams of Padme dying in childbirth don't have to become a reality to still have an impact emotionally; enhanced by the fact that she lived (if on Alderaan) while he thinks she died.  Also thinking logically, Anakin's dreams, from his point of view, never became a reality since he killed her before she gave birth.

Regarding that vision: a view that came up with discussions amongst my friends was that those dreams were planted there by the Emperor to encourage Anakin to seek the power needed to save her.  They weren't necessarily completely true or only his to begin with - perhaps the Emperor just expounded Anakin's own fears of loss?  Again, in my opinion, it doesn't need to be explained to be good.

Keep up the great work Aalenfae!  I know we're all looking forward to seeing your progress as things develop!

Anakin could dream of Padme giving birth intercut with her funeral and assume she dies in childbirth.

Both things happen but "difficult to see is the future" and he just misplaces the significance of the images juxtaposed.

Is it possible to reverse the order of the names in the birth scene? I always thought it odd that Luke came out, then Leia, even though it's Leia who remembers her mother and not Luke -- yet Luke is held up to his mother instead of Leia. 

Might clear things up a bit. :-P

It would be better not to name them at all.

I've noticed a lot of things that cut down on runtime (in a good way, of course.) Just in case the movie is dramatically shorter, have you considered using scenes from the other two prequels? My wish would be to turn them all into one film with ROTS as the base since it's the best one, and I'm working on that on my own but my edit is definitely not going to have all the cool things this one will. Not necessarily flashbacks but certain scenes, especially with Palpatine, fit in the context of all of them.

Very good editing, especially Anakin turning around and coming back to tell them he's a Sith.  I'm curious to know how Anakin knew at this point.  I also would recommend removing the "plot to destroy the Jedi" line.  We don't want to turn Mace Windu into Ric Olie ;)