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A few questions on creating AVI's

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After a few aborted attempts, Im finally ready to knuckle down and try and re-edit Superman II! But once again I have reached an obstacle before I have even begun!

One of the great things about Sony Vegas is the ability to retain a 5.1 soundtrack - a neccesity for me.

Anyway, I have extracted the footage from the DVD using DVD Decryptor and its left me with the AC3 audio and the M2V Video.

Now here comes the science bit...

When I come to create the AVI in TMPGENC, it shows my intended avi file as having an FPS of 29.97 and I set the video mode as 'interlaced'. But before I began transferring 31 m2v files to AVI I figured I better make 100% sure what I was doing was indeed correct.

So I loaded up the M2V File within DGIndex to see its properties.

Lo and behold it came up with the following:

Video Mode: Progressive
FPS - 23.976

Now I may be stating the obvious here but I need 100% clarifcation...does this mean that I need to create the avi using these settings? I would imagine that if I use 29fps, the audio will be out of synch.

I would be very grateful if someone could confirm this for me though...do I use these settings within TMPGENC and VEGAS when doing my project?
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Yes, the AVI that you are editing should be 23.976fps progressive.

If TMPGEnc is giving you problems, you might be better off using VirtualDubMod or VirtualDub-MPEG2 to convert to AVI.

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"One of the great things about Sony Vegas is the ability to retain a 5.1 soundtrack - a neccesity for me."

I'm curious to know what you mean by this. If you edit the AVI and must edit the audio to match, Vegas won't create a new 5.1 track straight from the original 5.1 track. You will have to split it into 5 channels and create a new (read: recompressed) 5.1 track.

If this is not what you meant, then just ignore me.

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Cheers for the replies so far guys.

Regarding Vegas, I have zero experience in using it If im perfectly honest with you. But I figured the only way to learn it and indeed other techniques is just to go head first and experience it for myself.

One of the reasons Im using it over Adobe Premier Pro is because it supports AC3 Audio - To be honest, I love using Premier Pro but because it doesent support AC3 audio means I cant use it if I want a 5.1 soundtrack.


I never realised that if I produce a cut I will have to do every sound file individually. How do you guys go about adding in music from a CD? Of course this is only in stereo so how do you make it fill all 5 speakers?

But I suppose the most important question of all is... How do I seperate the sound files to split up the AC3 Soundtrack?
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Besweet will separate the AC3 track into 5 files. The nice thing is, you can link all the audio and video tracks together, so that when a cut is made, it's shared at the same spot amongst all the files, and they can be dragged and dropped together.

If you are using music from a CD, Vegas keeps both tracks together (you'll see Left and Right side by side in the same track). There are, of course, ways to separate the tracks if so desired. If you are trying to create a 5.1 track from a stereo CD track, that's a whole 'nother discussion. For now, you are probably better off just creating an AC3 2.0 track, which you can do straight from the timeline.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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When doing your edits, do you use a 5.1 track or a 2.0 track? What do others think? When you edit, do you do a 2.0 track or 5.1?
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Well, it depends on what the final product will be. The only full 5.1 track that I created was for my prototype DVD. I did experiment with the Jaws "da-dum" music, rotating the 5 channels in a circle around the listener. THAT was an awesome effect.

For the most part, I usually try to keep the audio in PCM, unless I need the disk space, but a 2.0 track can be made straight from the stereo track off the timeline. A 5.1 track, done correctly, requires 5 separate streams, each designated for a specific speaker.

What's nice about Vegas is, if you are creating a new video edit, and want to create a new 5.1 soundtrack to go with it, you can run the AC3 through Besweet, get your five streams, place them in the timeline under the video, and link the video to all the audio streams. Whenever you make a cut and move video, all the streams stay together, and your final audio will match the video.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I would say if the original has 5.1 audio, and you are able to retain the separate channels during editing, then keep it 5.1.

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Do you know of any editors that maintain the 5.1 soundtrack? The only instance I can think of is Womble, but that's because it only cuts the MPEG. Any editing involving serious changes won't benefit from this.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>