4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 93

Ronster,

I don’t think anyone is doubting that a restored unaltered would come packaged with the SE. That’s pretty much a certainty, so I don’t think there’s any danger of the unaltereds being released in single-disc editions and ending up in the bargain bin as you say.

I totally agree that the OOT packaged with a new SE is the way to go. It should be the bare minimum of how they approach such a release if they’re not going to throw in every version.

As for your argument about bootlegs, I think for every person out there who goes through the trouble of downloading Harmy’s DeED there are many more who would gladly fork over a few bucks for an official restoration straight from the source. You need look no further than what happened with the GOUT. They didn’t even need to remaster it and (I’m guessing) it still sold pretty well. I didn’t buy it on general principle alone but my point still stands.

Which brings me to your statements about “the kids today.” Look, if my highly-educated early millenial cousin and her husband with good-paying jobs who are several years older than me skipped upgrading their physical media to blu-ray in favor of a roku box streaming over dsl then that’s a bad sign. They’ve got a baby (and another on the way) who will probably grow up consuming all of their media over the internet and consider owning/renting optical discs a novelty.

We’re always hearing about how physical media is slowly dying and that downloads account for more than 50% of Hollywood’s home video revenue now. My nightmare scenario for the OOT continues to be Disney taking their sweet time (perhaps intentionally so) for another several years only to finally announce a restoration we can only legally purchase as a download/stream. The fact that there is a 2160p optical disc format following 1080p blu-ray is at least hopeful, and the copy-protection measures implemented on the new format tell me the studios are taking it seriously.

Ronster said:

Well I personally I am waiting for the 8K ultimate ego maninac edition to surface

You seem qualified to make it…

The problem with such high bit rates is streaming it requires you have a very good internet connection to appreciate the quality. So physical media won’t die it will just be more high end and more costly. There is too much money to be made from slapping a disc in a steel book and charging way over what it should cost for a art print and so on. This is a whole rip off industry in itself and is probably one of the few revenue streams studios can rely on. But blu-rays going for £200 and stuff on ebay just because they are in a tin?

We-should be re-opening the old Cornish tin mines for that sort of money for tin. Give them a nice Pasty and a few quid… Seriously though very rarely is their any special video content on those overpriced releases. There is very little that is special about these Steel books these days apart from a different cover.

But the IPTV roll out is the way it’s going agreed it’s cheaper and easier and more cost effective and saves space rather than have a huge stack of physical media (Yes guilty). Easier for families yes agreed. Good internet - Getting Expensive.

I’d also like to add my Bank gives me free cinema tickets… Cinema is being fueled even by those free ticket roll outs where bums on seats are being paid by promotion to keep it alive.

Look there will always be a case for a good bootleg and I am not slapping anyone for that, but Investors / shareholders probably just want to invest in the new more than the old. I was just trying to think of a way to re-package the old with something new.

I am waiting for an official release and that is that because I can wait.

ATMachine said:

Tobar said:

He’s afraid to go into the fan edit section because he believes Lucasfilm is monitoring it to steal his ideas.

He’s not wrong.

Yeah but you think the X-Files stole from Lucas or something equally unlikely (I can’t remember the exact thing you claimed).

The SE should not exist, period.

generalfrevious said:

The SE should not exist, period.

The Special Edition should have been done like any other Special edition?

Yeah and not really changed it digitally with a load of new ideas that were never intended. Although you could argue Jabba was intended you could never Argue that the Greedo scene had the insert filmed to make the Jabba scene not required.

Just not using trickery to make a new edition. Give us the tie fighters being blown up or any other Lost scenes like the deleted land speeders driving through mos eisley. If you do a special edition normally you add stuff that got cut for either time or pacing. But A special edition does away with that especially as far as John Williams score goes also.

You add back bit’s from the cutting room floor. If you don’t want to change it by adding things that were removed you don’t make a special edition.

But I am ok with fixing dodgy special effects or enhancing them just don’t make whole new ones unless it was actually meant to be that way and could not be done at the time for what ever reason.

You won’t be seeing a restoration on Star Wars from 1977 being sold on it’s own.

I think it’s very possible that you will. Probably not as the only option, but I will be surprised (and annoyed) if they don’t release the movies as barebones single discs for the people who just want the OUT. They may not do this at first, wanting to squeeze out as much cash as possible by exclusively releasing some kind of “collector’s set” that includes one or more SE versions in addition to the OUT. But that will annoy diehards enough that after they maximize their profits they’ll eventually release the OUT by itself for the holdouts who didn’t cave and for more casual fans who just want to see the movies they 'member from their youth without spending too much. That ultimately gives them more money than they would get just from releasing one or the other, or both at the same time.

And I can tell you with confidence that one thing you are NOT going to see is any kind of official new Special Edition. Disney is deliberately playing to nostalgia with Star Wars. TFA should be all of the proof of that you need. George is the only one who ever cared about tweaking these movies and now he’s out of the picture.

Density said:

You won’t be seeing a restoration on Star Wars from 1977 being sold on it’s own.

I think it’s very possible that you will. Probably not as the only option, but I will be surprised (and annoyed) if they don’t release the movies as barebones single discs for the people who just want the OUT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ

This Video will make you understand.

Ronster said:

Density said:

You won’t be seeing a restoration on Star Wars from 1977 being sold on it’s own.

I think it’s very possible that you will. Probably not as the only option, but I will be surprised (and annoyed) if they don’t release the movies as barebones single discs for the people who just want the OUT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ

This Video will make you understand.

Apparently you did not read the rest of my post, in which I clearly explained how doing so (not immediately, but eventually) would ultimately make them more money.

ATMachine said:

Density said:

You won’t be seeing a restoration on Star Wars from 1977 being sold on it’s own.

I think it’s very possible that you will. Probably not as the only option, but I will be surprised (and annoyed) if they don’t release the movies as barebones single discs for the people who just want the OUT.

LFL already did that. It’s called the GOUT.

Now whether they can do it from proper film materials rather than simply transferring a laserdisc to DVD is another question.

I know they did. Not immediately, first they released only the SEs as a set before eventually releasing them individually to make more money after they milked that. That was my point.

Yes but now the Landscape is different.

Lucusfilm are not trying to push their digital graphics technologies. They if anything are investing in alternate tech like AR and VR tech. Their business really has nothing to do with a film made in 1977 anymore. It’s Evolved way beyond 1977.

It’s time to show some more humble roots.

The Special Edition is just another Brick in wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

“The ideas of conformity in revolution inherent in the song are exemplified to a large extent in the accompanying film footage. Although the children in the second verse sing lyrics of personal rebellion, their unified singing coupled with their symmetrical seating in the film are as eeriely structured as when they march down the hall in lockstep rhythm. Despite their rebellious intentions, they have become just as homogeneous as when they were school clones. Furthermore, like the dual nature of the hammers, what begins as a productive revolution (the regaining of individuality) turns into destructive violence as the children destroy their school and create a funeral pyre for their teacher with the instruments of their past educational repression.”

generalfrevious said:

The SE should not exist, period.

Don’t be silly.

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[Frink realizes who he’s talking to]

we just need a Special Edition eXtreme version. That would sell. Dear LFL: please steal this idea, but credit it to Ronster.

The main problem with the SE is just the act of contempt Lucas made against his fans. In fact he has treated us badly for over 30 years now ever since he developed an inferiority complex against the makers of ESB.

The SE is not the problem. Deleting the OOT is the problem.

No it’s Lucas’s contempt of us that is the problem. This has been the biggest problem ever since ROTJ was in production. Name me just ONE franchise where the creators treats their fanbase THIS poorly for THIS long.