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Handman said:

If Disney is going to do this right, they need to enlist people like Harmy, Adywan... basically the regulars of OT.com. You know, the people who live and breathe Star Wars.

 No doubt, Disney would do well consulting people here for the minutiae.  That said; If Disney were to move forward on a proper release of the 77\80\83 theatrical versions, I believe they have people on board who know the state of the mess and the history of the films.  If not, they'll find them.

Disney is a much more professional corporation than Lucasfilm ever was.  They understand how to cater to various fan bases and the importance that carries in success.  Lucasfilm, in spite of what a few people in the inner circle said at the time, was a monocracy.  The result of that structure is the mess the franchise is today. 

I think they're going to great lengths to right the ship.  As someone pointed out earlier, they aren't concerned with someone's personal demons from the 1970s.  They're interested in the product on the screen. There were times the past several years where Lucas clearly did things solely to prove he could. 

He repeatedly ignored the opinions of his peers and continued to poorly alter the films in ways he knew would upset the fans. Going so far as to design, market, and publicly wear T-shirts mocking the fans for being upset at his destruction of the film and the story.

I'm still shocked that there is even a single person who has any respect what so ever for him after he did that.  He ruined the scene and the character, then chose to make money off of people's hatred of it. That was unconscionable.

He also continued his decades-long tradition of blatantly lying about all of it.  Disney wouldn't even consider going to war against the very people they stand to make millions from.  Lucas' behavior was the that of someone suffering from megalomania. Disney's actions so far are those of a professional corporation. Even at this stage, the new film has a very 1977-centric feel, as does everything surrounding it. 

I highly doubt that they'll ignore the prequels.  They know that story is also also a huge revenue stream TFN-wise.  However, it certainly feels like they're concentrating on first getting the franchise corrected and back to its roots. 

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I agree with Anchorhead, I think Star Wars is in sane hands now & I'm very optimistic we'll get what we want 

Going off topic slightly, here is a quote from a former LFL employee, Jeff

I coppied it from a SciFi modelling site, you need to join up to see the thread:

http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/viewtopic.php?t=112066&start=30

I worked for Lucas Digtal Arts in the 90's I worked at Skywalker Sound South. So not the video game world, but the film world. I worked mainly on the Foley stage. I was just a PA but in that sense I was a fly on the wall at the place. It was cool and crazy all at the same time. I can tell you from experience that George Lucas's management style sucks. The people he hires as managers even if they are competent get hamstrung and end up being hated by the staff. 

The orighanl SkyWalker South was a beautiful building. It had three mixing stages. Which were huge rooms the size of large move theaters. With a full size movie screen and a large mixing board in the center. A small TV mixing stage, a Foley stage, and a ADR stage. Two beautiful fair sized screening rooms. A room for ILM that was set up to be a LA based video conference room with its own server, and a large vidio screen so that people based in LA could have meetings with the Northern California based ILM. Add to this a separate but older building that alos had a mixing stage and folly stage of its own with a small cafe and editing facilities. it was a one stop movie sound facility, with extras. It had hired some of the best talent in the industry to staff the working parts of the stages. The sound mixing teams routinely were nominated for, and won Acadamy awards. it was in many ways a movie sound dream team. Many great films came through those stages, and I got to meet so many directors and actors that I really admired while working there. 

Now all that being said, over time the people who worked there wanted raises They were doing great work the facilty was always booked solid as I said the work that was being done that was routinely nomated for awards. At the time it was one of the only parts of Lucas digtal arts making really good money. The people liked working there for the most part. but they were being offered more money to go to other studios and they wanted to stay at Skywalker so they were asking for more money to stay and sometimes not a lot more just a little more. 

So a big meeting was held that George came down to. He stood in front of all the asembled employees of the money making part of his company. He procedd to tell all of these people he could care less about them. He said he only really cared about the part of the company that was based up North. He told them that the only reason they existed was to keep Skywalker North going. That was more or less it, he left. He left behind a demoralized staff. Shortly after the exodus started. When another studo came to head hunt the offers were accepted and the talent left for greener pastures. Quite a few went to Sony including those of us who worked on the Foly stage. 

George may be a lot of things but a perople person he is not, and that is one of the main problms with him. If it were not for the toy money his empire would not exist. A few years down the line Skywaker South was sold off. A sad end to a part of his company he should have been proud of.

J

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Also off-topic, I noticed there was footage from the Brosnan 007 films in RMW's reel. I bring this up because the GoldenEye blu-ray, a long-awaited title, was horrendously DNR'd. The other three looked fine (I'm going purely off screenshots from blu-ray.com and elsewhere for all four films).

Anyway, I don't have the disc to do a comparison with the RMW footage. Anyone want to take a crack at it?

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Doesn't Mike Verta have plans to finish his release by 2015?

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darklordoftech said:

If the OOT is restored and released, will it be canon?

 C'mon, start a darklordoftech question thread.  I'm begging you.

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Something I was thinking about is how Kathleen Kennedy is now president of the Lucasfilm branch of Disney now that Lucas is out of the picture. Kennedy seems like someone who would have respect for film preservation since she's been in the business for decades, but at the same time she has a history with George since she worked with him on Indiana Jones. Does anyone think she would want to preserve George's "true vision" of the trilogy (possibly at his request), or would she just not care anymore?

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Maybe George doesn't even care anymore. ;P

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gizzy2000 said:

Does anyone think she would want to preserve George's "true vision" of the trilogy (possibly at his request), or would she just not care anymore?

As far I'm concerned, they're respecting George as long as they stick to the spirit of his treatments for episodes 7, 8, and 9.

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Visitant said:

Maybe George doesn't even care anymore. ;P

 I read something a while ago, I don't remember where or who wrote it, but Lucas considered walking away from the deal because Disney wouldn't pay unless the got everything from Lucas, and Lucas eventually agreed because he didn't want to hoard anything anymore or something along those lines. So it is possible (maybe even probable) that Lucas selling Star Wars was his way of letting go of all the emotional trauma that Star Wars apparently inflicted on him, and letting some one else do with it whatever they please.

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gizzy2000 said:

Visitant said:

Maybe George doesn't even care anymore. ;P

 I read something a while ago, I don't remember where or who wrote it, but Lucas considered walking away from the deal because Disney wouldn't pay unless the got everything from Lucas, and Lucas eventually agreed because he didn't want to hoard anything anymore or something along those lines. So it is possible (maybe even probable) that Lucas selling Star Wars was his way of letting go of all the emotional trauma that Star Wars apparently inflicted on him, and letting some one else do with it whatever they please.

 We can only hope!

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Mavimao said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lucasfilm restore the entire original film before doing the special edition CGI inserts? So they might have scanned the bits and pieces of the recomposited original effects stored somewhere, splice them into a video timeline and use that for an oot release? 

Not ideal, but it's better than nothing. 

On another note, can't wait for the Ep 2-3 4k 16 bit scans! Oh wait...

 When they were restoring it they apparently pulled apart the negative, removing all of the optically composited shots, then cleaned up the background plates and the optical elements separately, then digitally recomposited the elements back onto a "new" negative.  

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msycamore said:

ComputerGeek said:

If this release does happen, I don't mind if they keep some of the enhanced visuals (Cloud City, new shots in the Battle of Yavin, etc) but remove the story-related changes (Jabba in the original movie, Greedo shooting first, Hayden Christensen in ROTJ).

just a note, if Jedi Rocks isn't removed, the entire thing would almost not be worth buying...

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

 That made me smile. Probably be the best way to release the films other than the OOT. 

It'd be great if this 4K scan means the OOT. I'll keep hope :)

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monkeyjb1988 said:

msycamore said:

ComputerGeek said:

If this release does happen, I don't mind if they keep some of the enhanced visuals (Cloud City, new shots in the Battle of Yavin, etc) but remove the story-related changes (Jabba in the original movie, Greedo shooting first, Hayden Christensen in ROTJ).

just a note, if Jedi Rocks isn't removed, the entire thing would almost not be worth buying...

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

 That made me smile. Probably be the best way to release the films other than the OOT. 

It'd be great if this 4K scan means the OOT. I'll keep hope :)

 If this 4k project from RMW actually is a new scan, then they would have to have gone back and scanned the original negative (which may or may not be the SE), right?

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As I understand it.

The lightsabers seem recomposited, but it seems to be a different scan. The only way I can see this happening (as I understand it the '97 wasn't recomposited or at least not in the same way) is if they rescanned the original ELEMENTS and digitally recomposited those.

Either that or they made a new scan but rotoscoped in the new lightsabers? Seems like its more effort than its worth?

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Gizzy2000, yes, you are correct.

If all they used as their starting point was a new scan of the negative "as is," it's conformed to the '97 version of the movie.

Quite a bit of that is still the true original negative or at least dupe neg to replace the o-neg that was damaged/faded beyond repair. A good 85% of the neg, give or take, is still one of those two things and would still count as the true original.

The remaining 15% or so is stuff that didn't exist until '97, like the digital recomposites of the fx shots and the new cgi stuff. None of that would count in any way as the unaltered original.

The unaltered original version of everything that got replaced was, hopefully, put into storage and not destroyed. If preserved, it would still be a viable source for restoration of the unaltered trilogy.

In any event, I think we've determined that this new scan has to be from the o-neg and not the '97 interpositive. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, though.

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Yes I believe you're correct.

Even if the unaltered scenes were destroyed, would there still be a way to decently restore them into the films?

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Anchorhead said:

Disney is a much more professional corporation than Lucasfilm ever was.  They understand how to cater to various fan bases and the importance that carries in success.

 Fans of Edgar Rice Burroughs and his 'John Carter of Mars' novels may disagree with you on this point.

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Isn't Disney also infamous for all the subpar direct-to-video sequels they made to their classic animated films back in the late '90s-'00s?

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Sorry if I'm repeating things a bit, but I want to get my facts straight on this. So, if this is a new scan of the negative (now the '97 versions) that means no changes from '04 and '11 are included, that means RMW would have to re-add all those future changes? Is this something Disney would bother doing? My main question is, is this new restoration likely to be for an OUT release, why or why not? I've heard a lot of people who think it is for an OT release, and a lot of people who just think it's something left over from when Lucas was in charge.

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gizzy2000 said:

Sorry if I'm repeating things a bit, but I want to get my facts straight on this. 

 The facts are some kind of restoration was carried out on the Original Trilogy after the blu-rays were released. Outside of that, we don't know anything.

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We do know, that those aren't the original sabers in that video, which means, that it isn't the '97SE either and apart from color, they look an awful lot like the 2004SE sabers. But since evidence points towards this new transfer having been done in 2012, which would co-inside with the time the 3D releases were still part of the plan, Disney may have nothing to do with it and since Lucas was still running things, they probably would have bothered to add all the other changes for a Lucas-sanctioned 3D re-release.