Well, I compared it to the I.B. print and these are definitely the recomposited lightsabers - the thickness of the cores is actually almost exactly right (in the GOUT, the sabers are way too thick) but colored glows are far too opaque, just like the ones in the 2004 version.
Overall - is this new scan evidence good news?
Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.
I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.
Harmy said:
Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.
I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.
Well, I guess it's time for me to go back and lurk in that old abandoned ghost town called "Star Wars Preservation and other Fan Projects." I can't think of a better expert than Harmy when it comes to what version is which.
Dboman said:
I don't care about spelling! I just want to find a mirror!
Harmy said:
Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.
I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.
Yeah, I agree that it all stems from the preparation for the 3D version, & I'm happy that theres a superior clean version in the vaults
What theyre gonna do with it is the question though
J
Agreed - timing and content points to aborted 3D OT from pre-Disney.
I don't know what's going on, but the colours are nicer!
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
Jaitea said:
Harmy said:
Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.
I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.
Yeah, I agree that it all stems from the preparation for the 3D version, & I'm happy that theres a superior clean version in the vaults
What theyre gonna do with it is the question though
J
This is kind of like when Jurassic Park got a new scan for its 3D conversion but the 2d transfer in the combo pack was still just the old blu-ray.
Speaking of which, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the 3D versions still happening. We probably just haven't heard anything in a while because of TPM 3D's mediocre box office and the change of plans following the Disney buy-out. I could also see them rolling out the last two prequels, even if it's a short run just to get them out of the way for the main course. RotS looks pretty three-dimensional already, so they'd have their work cut out for them.
But who knows, really. It seems like a given considering Ep7 will more than likely be converted to 3D. Then again, Disney might not want there to be backlash from rolling out the SE yet again. They might just focus on an OOT blu-ray to gain the fans' trust. Heck, maybe they'll do both.
Ultimately, they'll go with whatever option they think will make them the most money.
Fang Zei said:
Jaitea said:
Harmy said:
Well, over-all, I'd say it's good news, because the existing 2004 master was horrible, so even if it was the altered version, which we've now confirmed it almost certainly is, it's still good that there is a new better master. On the other hand, the fact, that they seem to have decided to restore/remaster the altered version doesn't exactly bode well for an official OOT restoration.
I think it does seem pretty likely, that this "restoration" was done in 2012 for the planned 3D release, for which the 2004 1080p master didn't cut it any more, so they hired these guys to do the 2004/2011 version over from new 4K scans.
Yeah, I agree that it all stems from the preparation for the 3D version, & I'm happy that theres a superior clean version in the vaults
What theyre gonna do with it is the question though
J
This is kind of like when Jurassic Park got a new scan for its 3D conversion but the 2d transfer in the combo pack was still just the old blu-ray.
Speaking of which, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the 3D versions still happening. We probably just haven't heard anything in a while because of TPM 3D's mediocre box office and the change of plans following the Disney buy-out. I could also see them rolling out the last two prequels, even if it's a short run just to get them out of the way for the main course. RotS looks pretty three-dimensional already, so they'd have their work cut out for them.
But who knows, really. It seems like a given considering Ep7 will more than likely be converted to 3D. Then again, Disney might not want there to be backlash from rolling out the SE yet again. They might just focus on an OOT blu-ray to gain the fans' trust. Heck, maybe they'll do both.
Ultimately, they'll go with whatever option they think will make them the most money.
I thought the 3D plans were officially cancelled?
Fang Zei said:
This is kind of like when Jurassic Park got a new scan for its 3D conversion but the 2d transfer in the combo pack was still just the old blu-ray.
Yeah, but in that particular case it was probably good, because the 2D blu-ray is far better then the 3D one - it is of course possible, that the DNR and orange/cyan coloring were applied during the 3D conversion, so a 2D BD from the new master would have been fine but somehow, I don't think so.
Well, technically they were just "postponed," which everyone took to be a nice way of saying "cancelled," but we don't really know that.
I bet Disney is calculating the best move here.
On the one hand, I could see a 3D trailer for a re-release really blowing away modern audiences if done correctly. It would be like the modern equivalent of the x-wing flying out of the tv screen in that first SE trailer from late '96.
On the other hand, there's the potential for backlash leading up to Episode 7. Rolling out the SE yet again, even if it's a more polished "final" version, might do more harm than good.
How long does a quality restoration take anyway?
With a little over a year to go 'til EpVII, it doesn't leave much time for a restoration project, including all the research needed, planning, scanning, cleaning, recompositing (?), designing of packaging, filming/editing of bonus materials, having the sets manufactured etc etc. Seeing the OT again at cinema or on Blu-Ray before the ST would be fantastic but theres not too much time left for it to happen.... nobody wants a rushed release.
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msycamore said:
It should be noted that the before and after sample with the droids in the desert seems to be the old 2004 Lowry fiasco. It's old.
I disagree. It looks like a new cleanup. Here's why:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/84284/picture:0
The damage in the red circle of the first comparison is completely dealt with in the RMW cleanup. However, this same cleanup seems to add a peculiar bit of damage in the green circle of the first comparison.
Moving to the comparison with the Blu-ray, there now appears to be damage in the red circle which was supposedly dealt with in the RMW cleanup. In the green circle of the Blu-ray, the spot of damage near R2 which is present in the cleanup is gone in the Blu-ray (and there's a different green artifact apparent in the Blu-ray). Also, I reduced the quality of the Blu-ray to match the RMW video, and the discrepancy remains, so the video resolution can hold this damage information.
There are several such damage discrepancies in this shot. I really don't think that this is the original Lowry work.
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Ryan McAvoy said:
How long does a quality restoration take anyway?
With a little over a year to go 'til EpVII, it doesn't leave much time for a restoration project, including all the research needed, planning, scanning, cleaning, recompositing (?), designing of packaging, filming/editing of bonus materials, having the sets manufactured etc etc. Seeing the OT again at cinema or on Blu-Ray before the ST would be fantastic but theres not too much time left for it to happen.... nobody wants a rushed release.
For all we know, much of the restoration work might already be done. Those RMW employees' resumés seem to indicate this happened sometime between 2010 and 2012.
After Phantom Menace 3D flopped I doubt Disney would even bother releasing the other two prequels in cinemas. I also doubt they'd release the SE's in 3d because I think they'd want to distance themselves from all the foolishness that happened when Lucas owned Star Wars, even if they don't release the OOT any time soon.
I'm wondering now if there was any truth to the supposed "intercepted emails" from Disney employees referencing an unaltered release..... Who knows at this point. I won't be holding my breath.
I think they'll definitely release the real movies eventually. It's just a question of when
Well, releasing them before Episode VII comes out would make the most sense, wouldn't it?
That would be the most common sense thing for them to do. It makes sense that they would release the OT in order to regain the trust of fans, and to let everyone know that they aren't completely unreasonable like Lucas was.
I mean, I'm no businessman, but it just seems like the obvious thing to do. They could make a gazillion dollars, gain the goodwill of fans, and pump up the hype for Episode VII in one fell swoop.
By the way, Star Wars no longer seems to appear under 'Projects' on the RMW website. ...Of course, it's still on the reels.
Visitant said:
I mean, I'm no businessman, but it just seems like the obvious thing to do. They could make a gazillion dollars, gain the goodwill of fans, and pump up the hype for Episode VII in one fell swoop.
By the way, Star Wars no longer seems to appear under 'Projects' on the RMW website. ...Of course, it's still on the reels.
Wow...you're right. That's pretty suspicious.
Maybe after it got out into the news Disney was like "Hey, ya mind not listing something that big and unannounced on your website?!"
maybe they want the release of the OUT to be a surprise? I'm just very confused at this point. I've read compelling arguments for both the possibility of this scan being for the OUT as well as it just being a 4k for the cancelled 3d release.
Eh, I doubt they'd just sit on the scan, as its already been paid for.
If this scan is for an OUT release, then I'd imagine they'd want to release it closer to Episode VII's release date. So, it wouldn't surprise me if they're just sitting on it for now