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Lucas was on NPR today and it sounded like he had cooled a little on the whole thing. He said something like "after the first 10 minutes you don't really notice it's 3D".

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I noticed that with Avatar to some degree.  My eyes adjusted to it and I found myself wondering if it was in fact still in 3D.  Mostly during 2 shots, I think.  Then an action shot would come up and that would have a great 3D effect and all would be forgiven.

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Baronlando said:

He said something like "after the first 10 minutes you don't really notice it's 3D".

Is that because there's only about 10 mins. 'converted' so far, I wonder?  :)

There are different 'conversion' companies popping up, and I just hope a skillful one eventually handles the work.  Those that have seen the initial short footage seemed to have been impressed with it though.

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http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6982297.ece

 

 

Hollywood is preparing to re-release some past hits, including Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings trilogy, in 3-D following the record-breaking success of Avatar.

Studio executives are drawing up schedules of popular films that will be “retro-fitted” with 3-D technology after the science fiction blockbuster, directed by James Cameron, last week became the second highest grossing movie of all time.

A 3-D version of Avatar has driven ticket sales to more than $1.14 billion (£700m) in just three weeks; only Titanic, Cameron’s 1997 epic, has made more money at the box office.

Rival studios had been waiting to see if Avatar took the 3-D experience — albeit using special glasses — beyond the popularity of animated tales such Monsters vs Aliens.

Experts now predict that 3-D will become the new multiplex standard within five years. This will be as dramatic a shift as when the “talkies” killed off silent movies in the early 20th century.

Retro-fitting a screen classic with 3-D imagery could take as little as four months, using software to manipulate a digital copy of the film.

Peter Jackson, director of The Lord of the Rings, said last spring that he wanted to reissue the trilogy in 3-D if Avatar persuaded enough cinemas to put in new 3-D projectors. Last week technicians at Weta, the production company that had worked on the trilogy, said they had experimented with 3-D battle scenes and proclaimed them to be “gob-smacking”.

The Lord of the Rings is expected to be re-released after Jackson has finished producing the two-part version of JRR Tolkien’s The Hobbit over the next two years. This would mean that a 3-D version of The Fellowship of the Ring, the first part of the trilogy, could be in cinemas by Christmas 2012.

It may be beaten to the screen by a revamped version of Star Wars. George Lucas, the director, spent $13m filming the original in 1976, added special effects in 1997 and 2004, and will now spend another $10m to change it into a 3-D spectacular.

“George cannot leave it alone,” said an associate. “He is salivating at the opportunity to play with it again. This time the Death Star is really going to explode all over the audience and leave them gasping.”


At the moment there are only half a dozen companies that can turn reels of celluloid into 3-D digital movies.

Last week one of the leaders, Legend Films in San Diego, said telephones had been “ringing off the hook” as Hollywood bosses seek to revive past glories.

“We can turn an older film into 3-D in around 16 weeks,” said Bobby Jaffe, the chairman. “It mostly suits action films, such as Top Gun or The Matrix, but Avatar proved it’s best to use the technology to immerse the audience in the story rather than throw things at them. This is the new, more sophisticated era of 3-D.”

The “Avatar effect” means that conventional 2-D films commissioned last year are already being updated. Sir Ridley Scott has asked for a further $8m from his backer, Universal Films, to add an extra dimension to his untitled Robin Hood venture starring Russell Crowe in the lead role and Cate Blanchett as Maid Marian. Two versions of the film will be released in May.

Last week the University of Southern California (USC) published a report suggesting that after seeing a 3-D film in the cinema in 2009, 40% of people would prefer to watch television in 3-D, too.

“It will quickly become the new norm,” said David Wertheimer, director of USC’s entertainment technology centre. “It’s no longer a gimmick, but an expectation.”

They will not have long to wait. Last week in Las Vegas, Sony and LG, its Korean rival, revealed 3-D television sets, still requiring special glasses, which will go on sale this summer. Panasonic showed a prototype 3-D television with a giant 152in screen, perhaps more suitable for pubs and for showing advertisements in shopping centres than for home viewing.

Broadcasters are also gearing up to meet demand. Sky is preparing to transmit matches from the football World Cup in South Africa this summer on a dedicated 3-D channel, even if few homes will have the new televisions by then. “Few had high-definition televisions when we started broadcasting in HD either, but it shows the future,” said one executive.

The pace of change is accelerating. The first 3-D films on Blu-Ray, the successor to the DVD, will be released by Christmas. They will be a mixture of 2010 hits and remastered old favourites.

One other advantage of 3-D that has encouraged the film studios is the fact that, at least for the time being, it is pirate-proof. Avatar is estimated to have been illegally downloaded at least 1m times over the internet, but such 2-D copies do not match the cinematic experience.

“It’s only a matter of time before a teenager develops a 3-D stealing camera, but meanwhile Hollywood has a breathing space to earn some money,” said a studio executive.

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Yeah, I saw that article and that news is very promising.  Personally, Star Wars would make just as much money as a 2D release. 

Now, It sounds like Lucas will be adding more changes, which for me, is always fun to try and spot them, no matter how I feel about them. 

My hope, is that only a re-vamped OT makes it to the screen.  I don't want people who have never seen Star Wars to go and see TPM or AOTC cause they'd give right back up on it.  Also, seeing a movie with bad CGI would be terrible in 3D. Especially Jar-Jar.

I really have no clue what Lucas may have in store for this.  New shot scenes from when the PT was filmed?  New soundtrack?  Deleted Scenes added? A re-vamped Obi-Wan and DV duel?

 

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quote: Experts now predict that 3-D will become the new multiplex standard within five years. This will be as dramatic a shift as when the “talkies” killed off silent movies in the early 20th century.

This was what I was worried about.

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Well, thank heavens for more gimmicks. No need to worry about all those old fashioned things, like a good plot, or solid acting.

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Those "experts" would do well to remember a string of really bad 3D movies is one of the factors that caused them to die out by the end of the '50's and in the '80's. (That and bad projection.) And not every film is going to benefit from this process either. "My Dinner with Andre" in 3D, is just not going to work!

For the right projects, it can be just another tool filmmakers sometimes use. Cinemascope, color, and stereophonic sound were once regarded as gimmicks too.

This could also really revive the adult film industry! :P

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I can see this becoming a new standard: films like "My Dinner with Andre" may not "benefit" in the gimmicky things-flying-at-you way, but every film in 3D does benefit from the immersive element of the third dimension being there. It's like what Lucas says--it doesn't have to be about things poking you in the face and reminding you its 3D, after a few minutes it becomes an invisible process of deeper immersion into the visual presentation of the film. This could become the next step after the introduction of color photography, or it could not--but if it did, it wouldn't be inherantly bad and unnecessary, any more than color is. Does every film need to be in color? Do most films use color in a consciously noticeable way? Not really. But color is more natural, because we see the world in color. So the same is with 3D; we percieve reality in three dimensions. Who knows, 2D photography could in the future be seen as self-consciously stylistic, like how black and white photography in movies is today.

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www.d-box.com

Have you guys looked into this at all?  George Lucas forgive me, but I do love new movie technology.  Now I just need the $12k to drop on it to supe up my home theatre...

(make sure you read the linked to movie reviews)

(and yes, all 3 Star Wars movies are supported.  Plus some mythical Episodes 1,2,3 that I keep hearing about.  What's that all about?)

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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3D will not work until I don't have to wear glasses. I'm sorry, but sometimes I'd just rather watch films in 2D. And they are ALREADY finding another way to grab money from us after just releasing Blu-Ray? I thought 2D Blu-Ray had at least another decade on it. This is also another way to separate big blockbusters from lower budget films and make sure no one ever sees them...

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Octorox said:

3D will not work until I don't have to wear glasses. I'm sorry, but sometimes I'd just rather watch films in 2D. And they are ALREADY finding another way to grab money from us after just releasing Blu-Ray? I thought 2D Blu-Ray had at least another decade on it. This is also another way to separate big blockbusters from lower budget films and make sure no one ever sees them...

 

Well said. The truth is 3D will likely become a trend all studios feel must be copied in their 2010 and 2011 releases.  If it fits, i.e. Avatar, pixar movies, tim burton movies etc then great.

But if serious dramas films (oscar contenders) start doing this because it's the new cool thing I'll feel seriously ill.  Cameron said Avatar would get people back into the cinema, and it did because word of mouth suggested "you gotta see this 3d, it's amazing" and it was, but because the environment looked great and made the experience more enjoyable. Vibrant colors details etc, so you felt immersed.  Did it help the story? No way.  Is it actually a good story? Kinda, but not great.  There are plot holes that many critics have raised, and for good reason as they do exist, but the movie is about experience and enjoyment, and so they don't pan it.  Which is fine and rightly so.

I just hope everything doesn't get the 3d treatment, coz this will get real boring.

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Hmmm, GL keeps on hinting at it, but I'm beginning to wonder if he's gonna be at the straggler's end, rather than the forefront, when it comes to the upcoming 'conversion' revolution....

http://www.accesshollywood.com/george-lucas-avatars-technology-could-make-3-d-star-wars-a-reality_article_27866  (That Facebook User comment wasn't by me by the way, lol.)

Although the 'converted' portion of 'A New Hope' that supposedly impressed the few that have seen it, was done long ago....it sounds as if nothing much has been done since the early demo was shown to GL....and since I remember reading somewhere that any 'conversions' would be released at the rate of 1 per year, starting with 'Episode 1'....then I guess it'll be a while before anyone gets to see a 'dimensionalised' big-screen re-release of the O.T. after all.

 

 

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ImperialFighter said:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/george-lucas-avatars-technology-could-make-3-d-star-wars-a-reality_article_27866 

First up, George is writing and producing “Red Tails,” about the Tuskegee Airmen, the first African-American pilots to fly in a combat squadron during World War II.


Hmm, I wonder if ol' George realized that the Tuskegee Airmen story has already been told in film, and pretty well I must add with Laurence Fishburne. i just hope he doesn't pollute that great story with his idiotic ideas.

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I've made that point myself, ferris. I can't wait for his next projects: Balboa vs. Creed, Andy Dufresne's Escape, and Bueller Plays Hooky.

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ferris209 said:

ImperialFighter said:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/george-lucas-avatars-technology-could-make-3-d-star-wars-a-reality_article_27866 

First up, George is writing and producing “Red Tails,” about the Tuskegee Airmen, the first African-American pilots to fly in a combat squadron during World War II.


Hmm, I wonder if ol' George realized that the Tuskegee Airmen story has already been told in film, and pretty well I must add with Laurence Fishburne. i just hope he doesn't pollute that great story with his idiotic ideas.

The whole point in doing it is to have pointless and overblown cgi dogfights.  Emulating the dog fights of a new hope without there being any use of real models or any original thought.

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ferris209 said:


Hmm, I wonder if ol' George realized that the Tuskegee Airmen story has already been told in film, and pretty well I must add with Laurence Fishburne. i just hope he doesn't pollute that great story with his idiotic ideas.

Yeah... a made for TV movie fifteen years ago is the only thing that could possibly be said about an important and dramatic  event in US history.

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TheBoost said:

ferris209 said:


Hmm, I wonder if ol' George realized that the Tuskegee Airmen story has already been told in film, and pretty well I must add with Laurence Fishburne. i just hope he doesn't pollute that great story with his idiotic ideas.

Yeah... a made for TV movie fifteen years ago is the only thing that could possibly be said about an important and dramatic  event in US history.

You do realize that the reason this is perceived as being awful even before a minute of footage has been shown is because Lucas ruined both star wars and indiana jones, right?

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

You do realize that the reason this is perceived as being awful even before a minute of footage has been shown is because Lucas ruined both star wars and indiana jones, right?

I know this has been discussed to death, and I really hate myself for even typing this, but I can't help it...

Lucas didn't ruin IJ.  Just pick a stopping point (2,3, or 4, depending on your taste) and pretend the newer ones never existed.

You can certainly make the case that Lucas ruined SW.  But there are also ways to watch the Original Trilogy in a reasonable approximation of the Original Versions.

I really hate that I typed this.

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The whole point in doing it is to have pointless and overblown cgi dogfights.  Emulating the dog fights of a new hope without there being any use of real models or any original thought.

 

I wouldnt mind it, the space battle is so boring when compared to those in the 4 others with space battles.  ANH, while being tied with ESB as my favorite SW movie, is very bleh.  It really is an inconsistecy with the saga, even ANH's sequels.

Some people are saying that Avatar is the greastest movie they've ever seen. But i think we can all agree that the plot was very simlistic.

Now imagine SW as beautiful as Avatar.  Im not talking CG crap, although its fastly improving. SW would blow Avatar out of the water.  Basically every aspect of ANH is better than Avatar.  Im not trying to be a fanboy either.

 

I wouldnt rule out a new and improved space battle, Emperor scenes, or a new duel for the 3D release.

 

 

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well, this is gonna be a big fiasco if he starts with TPM, can't imagine too many people would pay big money for that crapfest again