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23.976 FPS to 25 FPS pulldown

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I was wondering if it would be possible to pulldown 23.976 fps to 25 fps. It seems you can do this in dgpulldown but will it play correct in your dvd player? If so you can make a version of Star Wars with a resolution of 720 x 576 and an audio track without PAL speedup.
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If I understand it correctly, you want to convert NTSC to PAL without changing the speed / pitch of the audio track ?
I usually do in AviSynth this way :

LoadPlugin("path_to_mpeg2dec")

AudioDub(mpeg2source("path_to_d2v_file"), WavSource("path_to_wav_file").ResampleAudio(48000))
Lanczos4Resize(720, 576)
return ConvertFPS(25.000)


this way it way have the correct fps and the sound will be untouched, but perfectly synchronized.
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In answer to your actual question - can you encode something at 720x576 progressive 23.976fps, insert pulldown flags to make it 25fps on playback, and expect it to play on a DVD player - I've no idea.

However, I just wanted to add that the 1991(?) PAL VHS releases of Star Wars had something like this hard-coded into the video. Russ noticed the longer running time on the cover, and I had a look at a sample of his capture. Yes the pitch was correct - but the video was mess of interlaced frames and blended fields.

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
However, I just wanted to add that the 1991(?) PAL VHS releases of Star Wars had something like this hard-coded into the video. Russ noticed the longer running time on the cover, and I had a look at a sample of his capture. Yes the pitch was correct - but the video was mess of interlaced frames and blended fields.


I had those, the first Widescreen releases of Star Wars on VHS in the UK, CBS/Fox did transfers like that all the time.
Predator and Aliens: Special Edition were like this also, terrible picture quality. They got severly critised in some film magazines and changed to proper 25fps PAL releases eventually. Buena Vista/Disney, always used to do this on VHS releases of their animated films as well.

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In answer to your actual question - can you encode something at 720x576 progressive 23.976fps, insert pulldown flags to make it 25fps on playback, and expect it to play on a DVD player - I've no idea.
I will try and let you know if it works
had those, the first Widescreen releases of Star Wars on VHS in the UK, CBS/Fox did transfers like that all the time.
Predator and Aliens: Special Edition were like this also, terrible picture quality. They got severly critised in some film magazines and changed to proper 25fps PAL releases eventually. Buena Vista/Disney, always used to do this on VHS releases of their animated films as well.

Was the picture quality bad because of the pulldown or was it just bad?
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
In answer to your actual question - can you encode something at 720x576 progressive 23.976fps, insert pulldown flags to make it 25fps on playback, and expect it to play on a DVD player - I've no idea.
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Yes, you can and it should play without an issue. The easiest way to do it is using DGPulldown. Select "Custom", enter 23.976 --> 25, leave the rest of the options at default values and just click on "Convert".
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Was the picture quality bad because of the pulldown or was it just bad?


I remember panning shots being very jerky, and the resolution was really bad. I still have them somewhere, might check them out
The remastered VHS released in 1994 was a revelation in quality at the time.

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Originally posted by: Byakko
Originally posted by: Moth3r
In answer to your actual question - can you encode something at 720x576 progressive 23.976fps, insert pulldown flags to make it 25fps on playback, and expect it to play on a DVD player - I've no idea.
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Yes, you can and it should play without an issue. The easiest way to do it is using DGPulldown. Select "Custom", enter 23.976 --> 25, leave the rest of the options at default values and just click on "Convert".


Yep! I tried it. I had a 25 fps progressive m2v file, opened it with DGPulldown, used the custom settings 23.976 --> 25 and converted it. The original and converted files have exactly the same size. Then I muxed with NTSC audio burned it and it played as a normal dvd.
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