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~French Coffret Trilogie LD to DVD transfer~ (Released) — Page 4

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I can help you posting it to a.b.starwars too. So if you'll take a copy with you, when we meet today, I'll upload it to usenet for you.

Edit: I posted this to late te be read by Arnie.D. But perhaps next time.

A new release of Star Wars is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

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Thanks for the upload offers. When I've finished all three and I don't have a way to upload I'll ask you.
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Does someone know the name of the font used for the burned in subtitles of the definitive collection?
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
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I found one that came pretty close. Look at my ANH DVD. I can send you the font if you like it.

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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Yes, please. What settings did you use in dvd-lab for the subs? Vector smooth or something different? And what size?
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Does someone know the name of the font used for the burned in subtitles of the definitive collection?
See
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I'm almost done with my transfer. Tomorrow I'll send HOPE and EMPIRE to Metallaxis. He is willing to upload them for me at myspleen. Thanks Metallaxis!


All dvds will be dual layer versions (I don't have SL versions). There are no menus. All dvds will have the original laserdisc chapterpoints. Audio is 1536 kbps LPCM. Videobitrate is as high as possible (10 pass encode just to be sure! / maximum is 8200 kbps, average about 7500 kbps). The only thing I changed about the movies is the aspect ratio. I turned them into anamorphic widescreen (cutting off the french subs from). Contrast, brightness, noise is all as it is on the laserdisc. The quality of the image is not as good as the bitrate would suggest, I just used such a high bitrate to keep the quality loss to a minimum. Some people will think the picture is too dark, sorry that's how it is on the laserdisc. The PAL lds I used look very different compared to the DC. The DC has a SHARPER image!
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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EDIT: link removed.
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Some people will think the picture is too dark, sorry that's how it is on the laserdisc.
It's not a matter of opinion - it is too dark. And if that's how it is on the laserdiscs, you need to get another set.

However, I think it's more likely to be a problem with your capture device.

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In that case, it could be a problem with your player. Have you tried any other laserdiscs? Do they all look dark?

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I have some other movies on LD (jurassic park, speed, aladdin, indiana jones). They all look fine!

EDIT: there seems to be a difference in brightness between capturing with video or s-video cables ( I captured with video but watched with s-video). Moth3r, I'll upload a raw capture sample and give you the link. Could you have a look at it and tell me by how much I should adjust the brightness?

Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
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I think the golden rule about projects such as yours is that it's vital to play it on a few different sets of equipment, different TV's and DVD players. Then you get a good feeling where your project is at quality wise. I look forward to other users on here doing comparisons once they get it at myspleen.net

Arnie, weren't you also gonna do a special OT project where you apply your own filters, brightness settings etc to juice things up a little?
peace,

Rebelscum
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Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Anyone had a chance yet to sit down and watch Arnie's efforts and compare with the others?
peace,

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Probably not, since no one else has it ...yet. Hope and Empire are finished. Jedi is almost done.

I re-encoded the whole thing again since they were too dark (thanks for the help Moth3r!). There was a (big) brightness difference between capturing with video or s-video cable. The DVDs now have the brightness of the s-video and the detail of the video. Yes, there's more detail when capturing with video instead of s-video. There's also more dotcrawl but the overall picture of the video capture is better then the s-video capture.

I think my transfer is close to the laserdisc image.
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
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Arnie, did you sort out those line drops in your captures, that we saw in Moth3r's A New Hope?

Also, could you give me the pros and cons of your captures in your opinion? What can you improve, what are you most annoyed/happy about etc.

Also2, do you notice a definite drop in sharpness from EP4 & EP5 to EP6? Is the original laserdisc slightly more blurry?

Also3,... nah just kidding. I'm not that craaaaaaaaazy!
peace,

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I tried to remove the linedrops but couldn't get it right. But there are no linedrops in the crawl as shown in Moth3r's pics. Only a small one just before the crawl.

I didn't notice a decrease in sharpness. But if you're referring to Moth3r's transfer didn't he "make" Jedi softer on purpose? Is that the definite drop in sharpness you're talking about? The LD is not more blurry as I didn't denoise/sharpen. It's as it is on the LD. I actually think Empire and Jedi look better then Hope.

In tested so many filters and settings to improve the image, but if a filter made one scene look better another scene would look worse so I decided not to filter. I'm not an avisynth expert, I just know the basic stuff. In the end I decided to just backup the LDs and not change anything. (although I did increase the brightness because my capture was darker then the LD and I cut 2 ugly frames). The rest on the DVD is as it was on the LD.

So now we come to pros and cons.
+ It's PAL
+ I think if you play the dvd it looks as if you play the LD (some will think this is - )
+ high bitrate, no compression artifacts (read: no extra artifacts introduced by MPEG-2 encoding)
+ LPCM audio, although not as good as the DC LPCM audio
+/- all original fox/cbs intros + all original LD chapter points (although I don't like intros I felt I had to put them on the dvd for preservation purposes)
- dotcrawl
- missing wipe (but Ben's house looks good). personally I don't care about the wipe.
- laserrot dots
- noise
- soft image
(- layerbreak, although it will be nothing compared to flipping/changing discs)

What I really hated about doing this transfer is that you see every scene so many times the movie is less fun to watch. MeBeJedi must be going thru hell... and back.
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
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I'm confused about laserrot. It read about it and it was described as "colored snow" in the picture. In the picture below you see in the upper left an artifact that I believed was laserrot.
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/980/lr18ei.jpg

Now the picture below is from a capture of a different LD set. But the same artifact is present. So it can't be laserrot then, can it? This is only one of many examples. Sometimes the artifacts are present in both sets sometimes in only one. Any ideas???
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2265/lr28is.jpg
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Being the spiritual creator of TooT and its biggest fan, I can confirm that there are some artifacts that appear across multiple discs. I think there are several classes of flaws:

1. Disc-specific flaws. This includes laser rot, and can be completely cured by TooT.

2. Version-specific flaws. Don't know if there are actually any errors of this type, but if there are, then they're created between master tape and LD mastering, so that a specific pressing run of LDs all have the same errors.

3. Master tape-specific flaws. I know there are several of these. The same dropout can occur on not only several discs of the same pressing, but on discs of different pressings (but presumably made from the same master tape). For example, there are errors common to both French and German THX discs.

4. Print-specific flaws. Some errors are no doubt introduced by the use of a given print for the telecine session. If the print's dirty, then that dirt's going to turn up on all discs made from that print, which could be a lot. I think the burn marks during the Tantive scenes are an example. But they could also be...

5. Master neg flaws. There are some flaws that were introduced in 1975-1977 as Star Wars was being made. All the effects were done with optical printers, which means there could be up to several dozen elements composited into a given shot. Which means several dozen pieces of film that would have to be shot, processed, handled, edited, and finally composited without any dust present, in order to give a final composite negative without dust. A daunting task. And one that was probably impossible -- and impractical -- for a low-budget space opera, back in an era when "home theatre" meant waiting for a movie to be shown on your 13" TV and audiences just weren't as discriminating as today.

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So this is probably a Master tape-specific flaw? I wonder if it's present on the German discs. Or the french discs with french audio. Well, I can check for myself ofcourse.

Looks like I still don't know what laserrot looks like.

Karyudo, if it wasn't clear before, after seeing your picture of your LDs in the "what's on your shelf" thread everybody must have known you are the spiritual creator of TooT and its biggest fan!!!
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
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Originally posted by: Rebelscum
Anyone had a chance yet to sit down and watch Arnie's efforts and compare with the others?


At last I did find some free time to sit down and watch arne's ANH (arne, you have not sent me ESB yet. I'm just telling you because you wrote you did, and maybe you didn't by mistake).
Anyway, I don't like to compare any preservation effort with another one, that is a rule I never broke in this forum.
But I can concur to what arne has previously said about his transfer.
Most apparent thing you notice when you view the film is the absense of noise reduction.
Suprisingly, I actually liked it, it feels more "theatrical", like ffdshow's "movie effect" or something.
Image is indeed soft, but I think that the overall impression with the presence of the noise is that there is no detail loss.
Image is bright enough IMHO.
Anyway I'm not an expert in this stuff, this is only an effort to discribe the feeling I got by watching it.
As I'm not familiar with many techical terms used in this forum, I hope my description managed to make some sense.

I will be uploading this transfer @ myspleen this friday, so whoever is intrested, stay alert.
If I get ESB, I will upload it as well very soon.
And now, for your feature presentation:
The Classic Re-re-re-release of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back.
In this version the word "WOOKIE" has been changed to "HAIR CHALLENGED ANIMAL" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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As you may have seen on the picture of my SW LD collection I have three copies of the first issue PAL disc: I had bought one through ebay, got the second in a batch, and decided since I had two, to get a third one so I could try and TooT 'em. Two of the discs have some very minor rot, but the Tantive sequence on the third is pretty bad. I also read somewhere that it's supposed to be colored snow, but as you can see here that's a load of crap:

http://www.student.ru.nl/tomdriessen/laserrot.JPG

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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Hey that's a pretty good theory, I'm going to check out a bunch of NTSC LDs. Men In Black is notorious for being rotten, right? Does anyone know which other LDs from this list have a high rot probability?

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.