.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released) — Page 14

Author: boris
Time: 5-Jun-2006 3:58 AM
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Originally posted by: boba feta
Perhaps its the degradation factor, perhaps its the possibility of breaks, snags and stretches, perhaps its just the inconvenience of having to rewind your tapes, the relative ease of duplication, the lower price and ease of digital distribution afforded the DVD all probably play a factor.

Yes, well D-VHS is digital. People don't want it because it doesn't come with all the bells and whistles that disc formats come with. Just like beta had it's limitations, even if it did have better picture quality (from what I remember about beta it had worse sound though?)

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<blockquote>Originally posted by: BadAssKeith

You are passing up on a great opportunity to makes lots of money,
make Lucas lose a lot of his money
and make him look bad to the entire world
and you could be well known and liked

None of us here like Lucas or Lucasfilm.
I have death wishes on Lucas and Macullum.
we could all probably get 10s of thousands of dollars!

Author: Gorram
Time: 5-Jun-2006 6:55 AM
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I have a DVHS player, but the sound on HD-DVD eats it for breakfast.
The reason I am excited about HD-DVD is it looks really pretty much as good at 1080 lines are going to look, even these "first generation" releases do in the most part look pretyy artifact free, bluray certainly isn't going to look any better.

DVHS died because of lack of content, so I am excited because I can buy HD quality titles again (on HD-DVD) as the studios are at least releasing product on HD-DVD and I can buy it today.

As I said it takes more than a great format to win a war, and if HD-dvd AND Bluray both fail, I can't see HVD picking up the pieces, I think it would sour the studios for another 5 years at least, and then who knows what format would be available at that point in time. The delivery of uncompressed 1080P is just beyond consumer electronics for the forseeable future, there just isn't an even vaguely affordable bandwidth solution even if the HVD discs were easy and cheap to manufacture, you still have to build a pipeline that can deliver over 140 MEGABYTES A SECOND! (That is over 8 Gigabytes for every minute!)

So there is a lot more engineering than just making a disk that holds a heap o data, you have to get the movie studios to agree, you have to develop fabrication equipment to be able to make the discs for sale, you have to have studios have the equipment to create the videos in that format to make the masters etc. etc. etc.
Everyone has just invested right across the food chain from telecine to edit to mastering to fabrication to copy protection to navigation to delivery in HD using existing codecs and bitrates, it aint gonna change anytime soon no matter what happens in the format war.

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Author: Gorram
Time: 5-Jun-2006 6:56 AM
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Anyway, we should take this over to the tech forum and out of Citizen's thread - sorry Citizen!

Give me the OT or give me death!

Author: cap
Time: 5-Feb-2007 5:39 PM
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Originally posted by: boris
1) PAL -> sped up from original film by 4% (24fps -> 25fps), higher resolution. PC software (PowerDVD, WinDVD, etc) can play back at 24fps.
2) NTSC -> slightly slowed down from original film (24fps -> 23.976fps), played back with a 2:3 jitter pulldown on DVD players, PC Software can play back at 24fps without the pulldown. Lower resolution.

I don't get it. A DVD is a DVD no matter which side of the Atlantic you're on. That's 4.4 GB on a single-layer disc, or 7.9 on a dual-layer. Given that the data capacity is the same on both sides of the Atlantic, how can one disc have more video information than the other?

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

Author: Doctor M
Time: 5-Feb-2007 6:01 PM
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PAL video contains more lines of resolution (whether it's analog or digital). So it has more DETAIL. It does not use any more physical disc space than NTSC.

Dr. M

Author: cap
Time: 5-Feb-2007 9:12 PM
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Why doesn't it take more space to store more pixels? Does it have better compression?

Author: Doctor M
Time: 5-Feb-2007 11:10 PM
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No, you are right.
More pixels _should_ have more data. That is, using the same bitrate for both an NTSC and PAL version is not a good idea.
As a result a PAL video can be more prone to digital compression artifacts if it is trying to get it's additional lines in the same space.
That is assuming these hypothetical PAL and NTSC discs are using the exact same amount of space.
In truth most DVDs don't utilize 100% of a disc.

I've seen PAL and NTSC versions of the same thing with the exact same file sizes leaving a quarter of the disc empty.
It's a matter of who is making it and if they're stupid.

PAL needs more bitrate for it's lines and faster framerate.

Dr. M

Author: klokwerk
Time: 5-Feb-2007 11:12 PM
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Removed my note because Doctor M's explanation was better.

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Author: skyjedi2005
Time: 12-Feb-2007 2:07 AM
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was return of the jedi ever released?

by the way best pal transfer ever next to moth3r's.

the screen shots i have seen of star wars dual layer and empire put most ntsc efforts short of the X-0 to shame.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

Author: Oldschooljedi
Time: 22-Feb-2007 2:23 PM
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Does anybody know if the Citizen DL PAL DVD's are still torrented anywhere???

Author: bkev
Time: 20-Feb-2008 10:11 PM
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This project sounded good... any quality reports?

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Author: Orinoco_Womble
Time: 28-Apr-2008 1:07 AM
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Hi there,
I've just come across the Frence PAL set and am also looking at doing my own transfer. I know that Citizen used the French LD's to supliment the missing info from the German set that he started with which had some fades and cuts etc.
Before I go ahead an start the capture can someone please tell me if there is anything missing on the French set and wether I need to also buy the German set to make a complete movie? I guess the side breaks are probably in a different place, but was there any missing footage like there is on the German set? I think I remember someone stating that these sets were created from the same master tapes, which would lead me to believe that they are pretty similar. The LDDB says that they were made in different factories, so can anyone please tell me if either one is better in quality or has less noise than the other set?

Many thanks guys :)

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Author: Moth3r
Time: 28-Apr-2008 3:22 AM
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The French ANH disc is missing a screenwipe at the end of side 1, between Ben and Luke lifting C3PO and the external shot of Ben's hut. There is also a shorter wipe missing in RoTJ at the end of side 3, just before the first appearance of Wicket. TESB is complete.

I do not have the German set to compare quality, but I believe they are very similar.

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