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That doesn’t sound particularly neutral- it’s an extremely biased point of view. This “everybody wins” thing has begun to fall by the wayside. That was a big thing of the 90’s and 00’s, and we have begun to learn from it (we as in a collective society, not as in my generation). You also have to look at what we’re stuck with, what we’ve inherited from previous generations: wealth inequality, a shrinking middle class, climate change, extreme debt (be it the US nationally, or through student loans), No Child Left Behind and Common Core, wages that don’t reflect necessity, and I’m sure I could come up with more if I thought about it for a while longer. The mentalities that we were brought up with have affected our attitudes in a life-long way. Blaming us for our own upbringing is insulting and ignorant.

Tobar said:

Just as a head’s up, from a sociological perspective, anyone currently at the age of 18 or younger is considered a “Plural” or Gen-Z and not a Millenial.

Millenials were the last generation before this current internet age.

Not to say they won’t be much, much worse, but right now most of the stuff the older generations have been up in arms about revolves around Millennials: those that have been in college during the last number of years or those entering the workforce, all with skewed ideas of the world being this super fair and all inclusive fantastical place, and being bummed that it isn’t.

I’ll continue to be frank, I’m scared shitless about just how much worse the even more over-protected, sheltered, yet hyper-connected next generation will be when it is their turn to run head first into the real world. It won’t be pretty.

Wazzles said:

That doesn’t sound particularly neutral- it’s an extremely biased point of view. This “everybody wins” thing has begun to fall by the wayside. That was a big thing of the 90’s and 00’s, and we have begun to learn from it (we as in a collective society, not as in my generation). You also have to look at what we’re stuck with, what we’ve inherited from previous generations: wealth inequality, a shrinking middle class, climate change, extreme debt (be it the US nationally, or through student loans), No Child Left Behind and Common Core, wages that don’t reflect necessity, and I’m sure I could come up with more if I thought about it for a while longer. The mentalities that we were brought up with have affected our attitudes in a life-long way. Blaming us for our own upbringing is insulting and ignorant.

My point is that I SHOULD be in the position to be neutral, as I’m not old enough to really be part of the group that put you into what you consider a mess, but I also got through the system before things like No Child Left Behind, etc. really got put into effect. Yet I’m coming down firmly negative on the plight of the Millennial generation (though in all fairness, I’m not praising the previous generations), as there is plenty they can do OTHER THAN bitching about how they can’t do anything because the world that’s been left to them isn’t ideal.

Tobar said:

Just as a head’s up, from a sociological perspective, anyone currently at the age of 18 or younger is considered a “Plural” or Gen-Z and not a Millenial.

Millenials were the last generation before this current internet age.

You told me they were Flounders.

YOU LIED TO ME

My point is it left us ill-prepared for the world. When you are incapable of actually doing anything, there’s not much you can do. I’m going to generalize here, but in my high school, we were given absolutely no vocational training. I still barely know how to do my taxes. Practical things like that were not taught to us since that’s not related to reading, writing, or math. Or classes only focused on typically academic subjects, ignoring practicality. Basically, we weren’t taught anything that cannot be tested for. add that on top of the shit we were left with and is any surprise that there’s not anything we can do?

nightstalkerpoet said:

We all know feminist overreach is the root of all of our problems.

This better be a fucking joke.

We’re way off topic.

Wazzles said:

My point is it left us ill-prepared for the world. When you are incapable of actually doing anything, there’s not much you can do. I’m going to generalize here, but in my high school, we were given absolutely no vocational training. I still barely know how to do my taxes. Practical things like that were not taught to us since that’s not related to reading, writing, or math. Or classes only focused on typically academic subjects, ignoring practicality. Basically, we weren’t taught anything that cannot be tested for. add that on top of the shit we were left with and is any surprise that there’s not anything we can do?

Maybe it wasn’t handed to you, but no one but yourselves is stopping you guys from learning skills now, or at the very least, using what you know to try to push to give the next generation greater access to shop and home economics classes, etc.; if you know the problems that you had, don’t make it worse by going around making the world more P.C., make it tougher on your future kids. I probably wouldn’t be where I am today if I didn’t have a great hands on computer maintenance class in High School, to be fair. Though, honestly, what kid would get anything they should out of a class on doing taxes years down the road (I think you over reached on that one)? Yes there are things that suck for you, but you’re not incapable of improving things on your own; the way it appears to everyone else is that you’re stamping your feet, complaining and crying loudly that things aren’t fair the way you were told they would be and you want us to all acknowledge that and feel sorry for you, you just haven’t figured out what to do once you’ve accomplished that.

This conversation needs to leave this thread and go to off topic.

or

Get off my lawn!

😃

nightstalkerpoet said:

Yeah it’s great everyone has equality and can work and succeed (i think whomever is better suited to be financially successful should be the breadwinner, gender regardless) but… The generations that decided “we’re BOTH going to get the career we want AND have kids” are the ones teaching kids that its possible to have your cake and eat it too.

Well, I know my wife and I are doing at least our part to improve the next generation, as she is staying home now while I work, it isn’t easy, but it is the right way to do it (shame she wasn’t earning more than me…).

DominicCobb said:

We’re way off topic.

And yes, we’re way off topic, but there kind of has to be some sort of news about Legacy for there to even be a topic…

Dek Rollins said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Sidenote: Has anyone on here put together an '81 crawl with '77 starfield?

Isn’t that what the SE crawl is?

But, I will ask, IS the SE crawl the '81 text on a '77 starfield? Kind of a best of both worlds, if so… That ESB starfield really sticks out (though not as much as the '81 scroll, of course).

The 81 starfield only sticks out to people like us who have over analyzed the starfields like crazy. To the average viewer, the starfield would only stand out if the size and distribution of the stars is radically different, and the evidence points to them going to great lengths to make the stars appear less congested and slightly bigger than they appeared in Empire so as to better match the look of SW.

You have to figure the original starfield had probably been scrapped after the SW shoot had wrapped. So the Empire starfield is probably all they had at the time. And I don’t think they ever anticipated the intense scrutinizing that is possible today, but not so in the 80s.

yoda-sama said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Yeah it’s great everyone has equality and can work and succeed (i think whomever is better suited to be financially successful should be the breadwinner, gender regardless) but… The generations that decided “we’re BOTH going to get the career we want AND have kids” are the ones teaching kids that its possible to have your cake and eat it too.

Well, I know my wife and I are doing at least our part to improve the next generation, as she is staying home now while I work, it isn’t easy, but it is the right way to do it (shame she wasn’t earning more than me…).

DominicCobb said:

We’re way off topic.

And yes, we’re way off topic, but there kind of has to be some sort of news about Legacy for there to even be a topic…

Dek Rollins said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

Sidenote: Has anyone on here put together an '81 crawl with '77 starfield?

Isn’t that what the SE crawl is?

But, I will ask, IS the SE crawl the '81 text on a '77 starfield? Kind of a best of both worlds, if so… That ESB starfield really sticks out (though not as much as the '81 scroll, of course).

Yes, the SE is the 81 crawl against the 77 background.

Wow, this whole generational issue must be a much bigger deal in the US. I feel justified in going back to the already off topic numbering convo, because it’s so much more on topic than the last page. I’m 25 and I never got the saga numbering. When I was a kid I ignored it, it annoyed me when I was a teen and it just baffles me now. It’s a tonally unnecessary effort to reverse engineer some cohesion between two tonally incompatible trilogies. We didn’t need the numbers to understand the chronology and no-one I know refers to them by number. Now you can see why they like it because LucasFilm can refer to episode IX even though it doesn’t have a name, and it can be hyped in the press. But I have to say the only fan edit I would accept on a restoration would be to take the V and VI out of the Empire/Jedi crawls.

AllAboutThatSpace said:

Wow, this whole generational issue must be a much bigger deal in the US. I feel justified in going back to the already off topic numbering convo, because it’s so much more on topic than the last page. I’m 25 and I never got the saga numbering. When I was a kid I ignored it, it annoyed me when I was a teen and it just baffles me now. It’s a tonally unnecessary effort to reverse engineer some cohesion between two tonally incompatible trilogies. We didn’t need the numbers to understand the chronology and no-one I know refers to them by number. Now you can see why they like it because LucasFilm can refer to episode IX even though it doesn’t have a name, and it can be hyped in the press. But I have to say the only fan edit I would accept on a restoration would be to take the V and VI out of the Empire/Jedi crawls.

I’m 23 and grew up referring to even the OT as the episode numbers. I was a kid so I didn’t know better. It also made more sense to me for placing them in with the prequels, which I used to love. I have now seen the error of my ways, but I can accept the idea that you’re catching up in the middle of the story with Star Wars. If the only issue with an official OUT release was the 81 crawl (or hell, even the 97 crawl) then I really wouldn’t be in an uproar about it, especially since this community exists and would create a replacement version within a matter of days.

The episode numbering was quite the looming question in the decade and a half before the prequels… the sad thing was how much promise it held… Ignoring discussion about all that disappointment, I have to say, that episode numbers seem far more often used to identify between prequel movie than they are used to refer to any of the OT films. As much as I support pre-ANH naming, I have gotten caught up in the confusion of the name of the original movie also being the name of the franchise (actually had to delete “first” and put in “original” just in this sentence alone, for clarity, haha). It is a bit of a pain (though, I actually think it is acceptable in conversation to simplify it to episode 4), but overall it is worth calling it by its original name of Star Wars to show we are not ignorant of the true history of the film; much like it is easier to say “Han shot first” when it is really “Han shot Greedo… period”, and both are confusions brought to us by Lucas’ endless tinkering… Case in point, I guess.

So, anyway, it seems to me the better and more distinct Star Wars films may largely find themselves referenced generally by name, with numbering only used to help narrow things down for the less initiated, while terrible Star Wars movies will probably just be known largely as their numbers… If current trends are to be followed.

yoda-sama said:

It is a bit of a pain (though, I actually think it is acceptable in conversation to simplify it to episode 4), but overall it is worth calling it by its original name of Star Wars to show we are not ignorant of the true history of the film; much like it is easier to say “Han shot first” when it is really “Han shot Greedo… period”, and both are confusions brought to us by Lucas’ endless tinkering… Case in point, I guess.

With me, I mostly call it Star Wars out of pretentiousness 😃

I do agree with avoiding the use of “Han shot first” for the sake of accuracy, but it is something of a cultural rallying cry, so I can accept that.

Fair enough. Maybe beyond all possibility it’ll be mverta’s work that is going to play at Celebration, then we’ll have all sorts of stuff to talk about.

You don’t have to clarify anything Dat says because everyone knows he doesn’t know anything.