revel911 said:
Anjohan said:
A lot of good ideas and excellent discussions about the episode in here from the last day.
I honestly have no idea if I am going to include it or not as of yet - I haven’t even put it into my editing timeline, simply because I expect that the last two episode’s will be of great significance (they should!) and that I will have to cut this episode for pacing.
Unless episode 5 or 6 is filled with filler and useless or dumb moments, It might be hard to include this episode because no one would want to sit through a movie and watch a secondary/main character get kidnapped TWICE in the span of 50 minutes.
But let’s say that episode 5 is filled with about 20 out of 40 worthy minutes of content, and episode 6 the same, that would leave the possibility of an additional 20 minutes for the final cut - leaving some of the best from this episode in contention for screen time.
However, I deem it highly unlikely that the last two episodes will have a combined 40 minutes of wasted time, so this will be very, very interesting.
I have been wondering if you could make them part of the same kidnap?
I’ve thought about this, and it would turn this entire fanedit on it’s head, cause me to do major re-editing and would probably end up feeling too fanedit-y, so I’ve gone against it. Sorry. But yeah - this is what the writers should’ve done. The storyline of Ep 2 should be this, and the original Ep 2 shouldn’t even have been a thing (although I do enjoy the planet).
Sadly, Episode 2 will be the Leia Kidnapped plot - and with the removal of a lot of cringe, believe me, it works a lot better. Seen the edit many a times now, and what removing dumb shit does for this series/film - you have no idea!
Sirius said:
Anjohan, you plan to cut the Vader/Reva scene of episode 4? Because Vader calmly accepting Obi-Wan escaping in episode 3, and then Vader clearly pissed off that Obi-Wan escaped in episode 4 is too strange, at least for me. Two completely different reactions to the same fact, one hours after the other.
If I don’t include Episode 4 as a structure to the film, I won’t keep that scene in. So far I’ve found Reeva to be a horrid villain in all the wrong ways, and the less she speaks to Vader the better.
Phase3 said:
The odd thing I found with episode 4 was the exchange between Leia and Reva. It went on for far too long, with tired old dialogue found in a thousand other movies.
How about cutting it so that after Leia says “I’ll never tell you where they are”, Reva then gets the Stormtroopers to take Leia away. No more long-winded, boring conversations!
The Disney style of writing is atrocious…
The rest of the episode was great though! It’s so good to see Obi-Wan in action again!
Yes, if episode 4 is kept in the film structure this would be a preferable cut - without a doubt! Completely aree.
Hal 9000 said:
I could certainly see excising this episode almost entirely if 3 and 5 bridge well, if you’re trying to cram things into a ~2 hour movie. And that’s not to say I didn’t enjoy it.
Yeah, it is totally expendable - and I liked the episode a lot, so I’m excited for what the final two episodes will bring as far as worthy content.
Axios said:
Anjohan I really like that current edit of Vader in the village! And all your points are certainly fair. I greatly appreciate your interest in working with so many view points!
As for my feeling on the ep… Tbh I feel like if you cut any more of this ep (which I feel like it needs it here and there for pacing and dialog) it will be too short an excursion to even include in any meaningful manner…It is soooo easy to cut this ep out entirely as well. I dont know, like the rest of this show so far it had pretty cool moments (Jedi tomb, swimming into base and glass/water break) but they were few and far between with every other moment being average (not bad) and really dumb (Leia under the coat, slapping a storm trooper & sending him against a wall smh).
I’m no expert here but, I feel like this might just be useful for spare parts in future eps.
All in all, thoroughly disappointed so far (I had very high expectations for this show).
Thank you for that, Axios. For the fans, by the fans.
It is more likely to end up as a “spare sparts” episode than one added to the film structure as of now, but again, depends on how much content there is to work with from the last two episodes. I don’t want the film to exceed 2 hours and 50 minutes - and that is if the pacing is on point!
headtaker18 said:
And PS:
imagine how beautiful it will feel when The Force Theme plays as Obi-Wan prevents the glass from crushing down upon them, followed by him steering it towards the Stormtroopers.
And:
As for Darth Vader not killing Reeva for her “failure” (although she for the first time ever did something smart in this series you ask me), remember I don’t have the scene with Vader on his throne warning her, so this doesn’t create any problems whatsoever.
100% yes to The Force Theme, but one thing I’m curious about is the Reva scene, are you going to completely cut Vaders “YOU were warned what DEFEAT would bring!” line? Because it will feel a bit out of place considering the scene where he first talks to her in his castle is going to be cut. Maybe there’s some potential to reuse that scene somehow to transition into the final scene with the tracker on the ship? Something like:
Obi escapes Inquisitior fortress > Vader talks to Reva “don’t fail me again or you won’t live to regret it” “yes my lord” > final scene with Obi and Leia which pans down to the Droid with the tracker?
Apologies if it’s to wordy I’m just throwing stuff to see whats possible.
The little I’ve thought about this to be completely honest, I don’t think it will be much of a problem. I mean, it is obvious the Inquisitors are expendable - and I also find it obvious that The Inquisitors look up to Vader and see him as their superior. This way, as their superior, I think it should come across natural that any defeat would not sit well with Vader.
revel911 said:
RogueLeader said:
Found this rescore of the Vader scene from Ep 4 that might be up your alley for this edit.
https://youtu.be/uALjoXJ0qRU
Before the score is added, I wonder if his walk in can be slowed 10% to feel
more like Prowse.
If the scene is kept, I think I would just leave it. Since we have kept The Imperial March out of the film thus far, I think if we are to use it it should be in a scene where Vader goes absolutely mental - hopefully, fingers crossed, Episode 5 or 6.