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Anchorhead said:
To me, Giacchino’s work is generally a little deeper than Williams and a bit more serious.

This is a bold statement.

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Anchorhead said:

Giacchino often names his pieces with puns, so I’m already trying to guess at some he may create for his Rougue One score…

“I’ve Got A Bad Stealing About This”
“It’s a TIE Game”
“Beaching To The Choir”
“That’s Your Moon”

“Pretty Fly (for a TIE)”
“AT-ATtack”
“Death Star Dish-ing Out Destruction”
“This Erso Rebellion, Isn’t It?”
“Give 'Em Rebel”

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Only two more weeks until Force Friday 2016

By the way Han shot first.

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I’m cautiously optimistic for Giacchino’s work - while I like what I know of it better than what I’ve heard of Alexander Desplat’s music, neither artist AFAIK has really worked with Wagnerian leitmotifs in the Williams mold as used in the OT.

Of course, leitmotif as a whole has been sadly out of fashion for the last 10 years or so. Aside from the Hobbit movies, which just built on the scores from LOTR, I can’t recall the last 21st century film I watched which had more than one or two musical themes in the score. A lamentable trend in my opinion.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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If you speak french: http://www.lepoint.fr/pop-culture/cinema/star-wars-rogue-one-ce-que-cache-le-depart-brutal-d-alexandre-desplat-16-09-2016-2068991_2923.php

The conclusion represents my (bad) feeling about this (feeling that I would call “Marvelization”*):

One thing is certain: whatever the quality is (and we really wish it to be good), the Star Wars movie, which is released in theaters on December 14, won’t definitely belong to Gareth Edwards.

I would add that what was supposed to be a risky and unique project is probably going to be an Episode VII-2. It can still be good (Edward’s powerfull scales and beautiful shots are in the trailer), but it’s unlikely to be something as interesting as it could have been. So it’s not that strange that Disney-LFL hired an “auteur” director for VIII (Rian Johnson) and two different “yes-man” for VII and IX (the Star Trek reboot guy and… the Jurassic Park reboot guy).

[* time to say something nice about TFA: it’s still better than any Disney-Marvel movie. Not by a long shot, but on blockbuster standards I think it’s as good as Winter Solider or Ant-Man]

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BS. There’s no evidence LFL is messing with Edwards’s vision and I doubt they would be. They know that these spin-offs need to be different so as to not step on the toes of the main saga.

And JJ was responsible for much of the development of TFA so calling him a “yes man” isn’t accurate. Same goes for Trevorrow on JW.

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DominicCobb said:

BS. There’s no evidence LFL is messing with Edwards’s vision and I doubt they would be.

Sure: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1541750/tony-gilroys-star-wars-rogue-one-involvement-may-be-bigger-than-we-thought

And the guy who made Jurassic World is exactly what a “yes man” is. As long as JJ was injecting nostalgia into TFA the studio was happy with it (what happened to the screenwriter who asked for 6 more months to develop new things ? Fired… and the result on screen is an unfinished script). We are talking about Disney here; have you seen the Marvel movies ? The recent Pixar movies (fine movies, except less good than the first ones) ? What happened to John Carter ? What happened to Tomorrowland ?

Reshoots, composer remplacement, director who won’t get the final cut, script alterations after principal shooting (“more humor”)… yep, I don’t really think there will be that much left of Edwards vision. Bullshit ? No: facts. Does it mean the movie is gonna be a failure ? Don’t know. Maybe, maybe not.

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MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

BS. There’s no evidence LFL is messing with Edwards’s vision and I doubt they would be.

Sure: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1541750/tony-gilroys-star-wars-rogue-one-involvement-may-be-bigger-than-we-thought

Hahahaha did you even read that article?

And the guy who made Jurassic World is exactly what a “yes man” is. As long as JJ was injecting nostalgia into TFA the studio was happy with it (what happened to the screenwriter who asked for 6 more months to develop new things ? Fired… and the result on screen is an unfinished script). We are talking about Disney here; have you seen the Marvel movies ? The recent Pixar movies (fine movies, except less good than the first ones) ? What happened to John Carter ? What happened to Tomorrowland ?

Arndt was working very closely with JJ before he left. Much of what they developed made it into the film (hence the credit). But I get the impression that he never actually wrote anything. When JJ and Kasdan took over it was to finally get something down on the page and bring all the ideas together (basically to make sure there was a finished script.

This was JJ taking an even bigger role to accomplish his own vision. Disney has nothing to do with it. The Marvel films don’t utilize auteurs because Marvel wants them that way. LFL does not.

Reshoots, composer remplacement, director who won’t get the final cut, script alterations after principal shooting (“more humor”)… yep, I don’t really think there will be that much left of Edwards vision. Bullshit ? No: facts. Does it mean the movie is gonna be a failure ? Don’t know. Maybe, maybe not.

Half of this are misunderstood facts (reshoots are common place and composer change was due to scheduling; script changes are very typical as well) and the rest is conjecture.

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@ spellwrong

It could be an interesting comment if it had any relevance to the subject. But I’m used to forced sarcastic (and not funny) comments when Disney is under fire here… But I don’t find Disney whores interesting as a matter of fact.

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DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

BS. There’s no evidence LFL is messing with Edwards’s vision and I doubt they would be.

Sure: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1541750/tony-gilroys-star-wars-rogue-one-involvement-may-be-bigger-than-we-thought

Hahahaha did you even read that article?

Yep. Edwards is under contract, so I don’t think he’s gonna go wild against Gilroy you know… but the final cut won’t be his.

Disney whores…

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MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

BS. There’s no evidence LFL is messing with Edwards’s vision and I doubt they would be.

Sure: http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1541750/tony-gilroys-star-wars-rogue-one-involvement-may-be-bigger-than-we-thought

Hahahaha did you even read that article?

Yep. Edwards is under contract, so I don’t think he’s gonna go wild against Gilroy you know… but the final cut won’t be his.

Disney whores…

They are working together. They have worked together before. Gilroy is not a “Disney whore,” in fact he’s a better filmmaker than Edwards is.

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Maybe we should judge the final product before calling a director a nasty name, and jumping to conclusions based on clickbait web articles?

Kershner and Marquand were under contract too you know.

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SilverWook said:

Marquand [was] under contract too you know.

So that’s why Return of the Jedi sucks. 😉

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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SilverWook said:

Maybe we should judge the final product before calling a director a nasty name, and jumping to conclusions based on clickbait web articles?

Kershner and Marquand were under contract too you know.

Edwards probably has way more freedom than Kershner and Marquand had. LFL/Disney seem to operate more like a normal studio that hires writers to come up with ideas and director to come up with a vision. Lucas on the other hand was the main creative director behind the films and basically come up with everything. He hired writers to polish his scripts and directors to implement his vision.

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That’s debatable. He had some good films under his belt, (Eye Of The Needle for one) or Lucas would never have hired him.

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Maybe. Aside from ROTJ, the only film of his I’ve seen is Jagged Edge, and that is one of the most mediocre, predictable movies I’ve ever seen.

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None of Kershner’s post ESB movies are so hot either. Better to judge the body of work before they got the Star Wars gig.

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SilverWook said:

None of Kershner’s post ESB movies are so hot either. Better to judge the body of work before they got the Star Wars gig.

Well his pre-ESB films were not any better. I would say average at best. Admittedly, I have not seen all of them but I have seen most of them.

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IIRC, The Eyes Of Laura Mars is the Kershner film that got Lucas’ attention.

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ATMachine said:
neither artist AFAIK has really worked with Wagnerian leitmotifs in the Williams mold

My first time with Giacchino’s work was the soundtrack for the first Medal of Honor video games (~15 years ago).
Go to YT and find the “Radar Train” track from MoH OST.

Not only I can hear we’re on a train, but also “heroic US GI” and “evil Nazis” themes… and I didn’t even play that game level yet! Isn’t this just like good old Williams’ “Indiana Jones”?

Pardon my musical ignorance.

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