Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

Why not?

File names are the user’s space and therefore stupid technical limitations shouldn’t come into it.

I, as a user, actually like seeing the file extensions.

This made me audibly sigh.

So you actually like seeing an ugly sign of technical incompetence in your file names?

Oh, and check this out;

Like I said, not a solution.

Yes, it absolutely is a solution. Don’t like seeing file extensions?

TURN THEM OFF

How is that not a solution?

Something is wrong with your system if that’s your “solution.”

Say you have a headache. Would the solution be to shoot yourself in the head?

Neglify said:

Bad meme alert.

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

I wasn’t even talking about aesthetics (barring the laptop comment. I mean, why shouldn’t you have a laptop you like the look of?). I was partly talking about UX, and also the way Windows feels. Windows feels clunky, and as I have said before, actively working against you.

I will agree that Apple sometimes tend to go too much towards the aesthetic side of things, but that tends to happen more in their hardware than their software. And, Apple is much better than Microsoft in this regard.

I dunno what version of Windows you last used (maybe ME?), but maybe its your unfamiliarity with the OS that makes it feel that way because if anything it’s getting more hand-holdy and annoyingly automatic like OSX is.

Also, if anything, I enjoy having file type extensions that I can edit easily to make .bats, or backups, or configs, or scripts, or whatever else I may need.

yhwx said:

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want.

How? I can name my files whatever I want. The file extension isn’t the file name. I type in the file name, and the file name extension comes after that by default (it’s just labeling the file type in an easily viewed manner). It’s not oppressing me in any way, because I can still name my file whatever I want. And if I don’t want to see the file type at the end of the file name, I can turn it off.

Even though you can turn it off, it’s still there. That’s not a solution. When you call something like that a solution, something is wrong with your system.

You didn’t bother responding to anything in that paragraph, but you did manage to shove in the idea that turning them off isn’t a solution, even though that was just a side point in addition to the actual point of that paragraph.

Also, file name extensions look ugly.

So what? And not everyone thinks they are, so I wouldn’t go resorting to that kind of half assed argument when you’re trying to explain why you’re right about something.

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

The file type is actually kind of important for the user to know sometimes. There is nothing wrong with the file type being displayed along with the file name.

Yes, there is, for all the reasons I have explained.

You haven’t given any reasons beyond “user’s space.” What the crap does that even mean?

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

I wasn’t even talking about aesthetics (barring the laptop comment. I mean, why shouldn’t you have a laptop you like the look of?). I was partly talking about UX, and also the way Windows feels. Windows feels clunky, and as I have said before, actively working against you.

I will agree that Apple sometimes tend to go too much towards the aesthetic side of things, but that tends to happen more in their hardware than their software. And, Apple is much better than Microsoft in this regard.

I dunno what version of Windows you last used (maybe ME?), but maybe its your unfamiliarity with the OS that makes it feel that way because if anything it’s getting more hand-holdy and annoyingly automatic like OSX is.

I last used Windows 10, for about six months. I hated every moment of it.

And I never understood the complaint that OS X is “hand-holdy.” If anything, Microsoft is more like that with their Tips app. And why wouldn’t you want things to be automatic? I mean, I love writing shell scripts as much as the next person, but I like automation.

Also, if anything, I enjoy having file type extensions that I can edit easily to make .bats, or backups, or configs, or scripts, or whatever else I may need.

Macs have been doing that for years, even before the integration of Unix into the OS.

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want.

How? I can name my files whatever I want. The file extension isn’t the file name. I type in the file name, and the file name extension comes after that by default (it’s just labeling the file type in an easily viewed manner). It’s not oppressing me in any way, because I can still name my file whatever I want. And if I don’t want to see the file type at the end of the file name, I can turn it off.

Even though you can turn it off, it’s still there. That’s not a solution. When you call something like that a solution, something is wrong with your system.

You didn’t bother responding to anything in that paragraph, but you did manage to shove in the idea that turning them off isn’t a solution, even though that was just a side point in addition to the actual point of that paragraph.

Also, file name extensions look ugly.

So what? And not everyone thinks they are, so I wouldn’t go resorting to that kind of half assed argument when you’re trying to explain why you’re right about something.

I don’t want ugly things on my computer. Simple as that.

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

The file type is actually kind of important for the user to know sometimes. There is nothing wrong with the file type being displayed along with the file name.

Yes, there is, for all the reasons I have explained.

You haven’t given any reasons beyond “user’s space.” What the crap does that even mean?

The user’s space is something that only the user should be able to modify and that any technical limitations shouldn’t come into. It’s just offensive for that baggage to be there. This is a fundamental truth. Simple as that.

And I’m spent now. Yhwx is far better at continuously spewing stupid bullshit than I am.

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

Why not?

File names are the user’s space and therefore stupid technical limitations shouldn’t come into it.

I, as a user, actually like seeing the file extensions.

This made me audibly sigh.

So you actually like seeing an ugly sign of technical incompetence in your file names?

How are file extensions a sign of technical incompetence? Different types of files are technical incompetence? That’s absurd and stupid.

No, the technical incompetence is that people couldn’t come up with a better and more creative solution than just tacking metadata onto a file name.

Oh, and check this out;

Like I said, not a solution.

Yes, it absolutely is a solution. Don’t like seeing file extensions?

TURN THEM OFF

How is that not a solution?

Something is wrong with your system if that’s your “solution.”

Say you have a headache. Would the solution be to shoot yourself in the head?

That is one of the worst analogies I’ve ever heard. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

You’re right, that is a bad analogy.

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

I wasn’t even talking about aesthetics (barring the laptop comment. I mean, why shouldn’t you have a laptop you like the look of?). I was partly talking about UX, and also the way Windows feels. Windows feels clunky, and as I have said before, actively working against you.

I will agree that Apple sometimes tend to go too much towards the aesthetic side of things, but that tends to happen more in their hardware than their software. And, Apple is much better than Microsoft in this regard.

I dunno what version of Windows you last used (maybe ME?), but maybe its your unfamiliarity with the OS that makes it feel that way because if anything it’s getting more hand-holdy and annoyingly automatic like OSX is.

I last used Windows 10, for about six months. I hated every moment of it.

And I never understood the complaint that OS X is “hand-holdy.” If anything, Microsoft is more like that with their Tips app. And why wouldn’t you want things to be automatic? I mean, I love writing shell scripts as much as the next person, but I like automation.

Also, if anything, I enjoy having file type extensions that I can edit easily to make .bats, or backups, or configs, or scripts, or whatever else I may need.

Macs have been doing that for years, even before the integration of Unix into the OS.

I have no idea what the Tips app is, and I’ve been using Windows 10 since launch.

I don’t want things to be automatic because I like to control things myself. I’d much rather opt in than opt out.

yhwx said:

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want.

How? I can name my files whatever I want. The file extension isn’t the file name. I type in the file name, and the file name extension comes after that by default (it’s just labeling the file type in an easily viewed manner). It’s not oppressing me in any way, because I can still name my file whatever I want. And if I don’t want to see the file type at the end of the file name, I can turn it off.

Even though you can turn it off, it’s still there. That’s not a solution. When you call something like that a solution, something is wrong with your system.

You didn’t bother responding to anything in that paragraph, but you did manage to shove in the idea that turning them off isn’t a solution, even though that was just a side point in addition to the actual point of that paragraph.

Also, file name extensions look ugly.

So what? And not everyone thinks they are, so I wouldn’t go resorting to that kind of half assed argument when you’re trying to explain why you’re right about something.

I don’t want ugly things on my computer. Simple as that.

“You didn’t bother responding to anything in that paragraph, but you did manage to shove in the idea that turning them off isn’t a solution, even though that was just a side point in addition to the actual point of that paragraph.”

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

The file type is actually kind of important for the user to know sometimes. There is nothing wrong with the file type being displayed along with the file name.

Yes, there is, for all the reasons I have explained.

You haven’t given any reasons beyond “user’s space.” What the crap does that even mean?

The user’s space is something that only the user should be able to modify and that any technical limitations shouldn’t come into. It’s just offensive for that baggage to be there. This is a fundamental truth. Simple as that.

How is a file type being labeled as a name extension a technical limitation? I can even change the file extension if I want to (this won’t always yield promising results, though).

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

I wasn’t even talking about aesthetics (barring the laptop comment. I mean, why shouldn’t you have a laptop you like the look of?). I was partly talking about UX, and also the way Windows feels. Windows feels clunky, and as I have said before, actively working against you.

I will agree that Apple sometimes tend to go too much towards the aesthetic side of things, but that tends to happen more in their hardware than their software. And, Apple is much better than Microsoft in this regard.

I dunno what version of Windows you last used (maybe ME?), but maybe its your unfamiliarity with the OS that makes it feel that way because if anything it’s getting more hand-holdy and annoyingly automatic like OSX is.

I last used Windows 10, for about six months. I hated every moment of it.

And I never understood the complaint that OS X is “hand-holdy.” If anything, Microsoft is more like that with their Tips app. And why wouldn’t you want things to be automatic? I mean, I love writing shell scripts as much as the next person, but I like automation.

Also, if anything, I enjoy having file type extensions that I can edit easily to make .bats, or backups, or configs, or scripts, or whatever else I may need.

Macs have been doing that for years, even before the integration of Unix into the OS.

I have no idea what the Tips app is, and I’ve been using Windows 10 since launch.

I just remember in some version of Windows Microsoft tried to walk you through the non-intuitive Metro UI. Which should not have been necessary, since Microsoft should have been able to make the UI usable enough to not need those instructions.

I don’t want things to be automatic because I like to control things myself. I’d much rather opt in than opt out.

I feel that Macs have pretty much the same automation level as Windows. I mean, I never got why people like the feeling of a manual machine that you have to control yourself. Just seems pointless and a waste of time.

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Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

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Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want.

How? I can name my files whatever I want. The file extension isn’t the file name. I type in the file name, and the file name extension comes after that by default (it’s just labeling the file type in an easily viewed manner). It’s not oppressing me in any way, because I can still name my file whatever I want. And if I don’t want to see the file type at the end of the file name, I can turn it off.

Even though you can turn it off, it’s still there. That’s not a solution. When you call something like that a solution, something is wrong with your system.

You didn’t bother responding to anything in that paragraph, but you did manage to shove in the idea that turning them off isn’t a solution, even though that was just a side point in addition to the actual point of that paragraph.

Also, file name extensions look ugly.

So what? And not everyone thinks they are, so I wouldn’t go resorting to that kind of half assed argument when you’re trying to explain why you’re right about something.

I don’t want ugly things on my computer. Simple as that.

“You didn’t bother responding to anything in that paragraph, but you did manage to shove in the idea that turning them off isn’t a solution, even though that was just a side point in addition to the actual point of that paragraph.”

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

The file type is actually kind of important for the user to know sometimes. There is nothing wrong with the file type being displayed along with the file name.

Yes, there is, for all the reasons I have explained.

You haven’t given any reasons beyond “user’s space.” What the crap does that even mean?

The user’s space is something that only the user should be able to modify and that any technical limitations shouldn’t come into. It’s just offensive for that baggage to be there. This is a fundamental truth. Simple as that.

How is a file type being labeled as a name extension a technical limitation? I can even change the file extension if I want to (this won’t always yield promising results, though).

(this won’t always yield promising results, though)

That’s the problem.

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It’s a technical limitation that Microsoft imposed on themselves when creating the Windows OS. They just decided that file name extensions were “good enough,” which they are totally not.

Also, a mother limitation of file name extension is the three letter extension convention. Yes, you can make a file name extension longer than three letters, but almost nobody does that. So, you can have many conflicting file name extensions. It is not unreasonable to think that a user would have two or more different apps on a computer that use the same file name extension for data storage.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

I mean, I never got why people like the feeling of a manual machine that you have to control yourself. Just seems pointless and a waste of time.

https://www.wired.com/2016/02/googles-self-driving-car-may-caused-first-crash/

The thing is that it’s pretty amazing that the first self driving car crashes are happening now, when self driving cars have been in testing for years.

Also, human drivers kill themselves all the time. Almost 40,000 (or maybe 4,000 — not sure) people die in car accidents every year.

TV’s Frink said:

noonecaresbut.you

Mildly funny, surprisingly.

yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

I wasn’t even talking about aesthetics (barring the laptop comment. I mean, why shouldn’t you have a laptop you like the look of?). I was partly talking about UX, and also the way Windows feels. Windows feels clunky, and as I have said before, actively working against you.

I will agree that Apple sometimes tend to go too much towards the aesthetic side of things, but that tends to happen more in their hardware than their software. And, Apple is much better than Microsoft in this regard.

I dunno what version of Windows you last used (maybe ME?), but maybe its your unfamiliarity with the OS that makes it feel that way because if anything it’s getting more hand-holdy and annoyingly automatic like OSX is.

I last used Windows 10, for about six months. I hated every moment of it.

And I never understood the complaint that OS X is “hand-holdy.” If anything, Microsoft is more like that with their Tips app. And why wouldn’t you want things to be automatic? I mean, I love writing shell scripts as much as the next person, but I like automation.

Also, if anything, I enjoy having file type extensions that I can edit easily to make .bats, or backups, or configs, or scripts, or whatever else I may need.

Macs have been doing that for years, even before the integration of Unix into the OS.

I have no idea what the Tips app is, and I’ve been using Windows 10 since launch.

I just remember in some version of Windows Microsoft tried to walk you through the non-intuitive Metro UI. Which should not have been necessary, since Microsoft should have been able to make the UI usable enough to not need those instructions.

I don’t want things to be automatic because I like to control things myself. I’d much rather opt in than opt out.

I feel that Macs have pretty much the same automation level as Windows. I mean, I never got why people like the feeling of a manual machine that you have to control yourself. Just seems pointless and a waste of time.

I dunno how everything being about three or four clicks away from the desktop isn’t intuitive. I’m annoyed with the splitting of Control Panel into the Control Panel and the mostly-redundant-yet-less-functional Settings app thing, but that’s really the most unintuitive things I’ve ever noticed in Windows. Even after several years of using a Mac I was still Internet searching ways to do simple things and wondering why the hell they had to make them so weird to do.

And I don’t mean I want to write a program myself every time I want to do something (or I’d use Linux amirite?), but I prefer having the ability to have more granular control over things more easily.

TV’s Frink said:

noonecaresbut.you

i said notone word toyu.yur just a troublmaker and a bandwagoner.you started carp with me.ssa