Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Hopefully I’ll get to discuss why file name extensions are stupid.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of “hopefully.”

It’s really interesting, I promise.

Sounds fishy.

Back in the day, Macs had a unique way to identify file types: Type/Creator codes. In the resource fork of a file, the OS would store the type of file (basically the file name extension) and the creator of the file (the application you used to create the file). This system has many advantages, including the most important one (to me, at least): You can name the file whatever you want, and it’ll still open correctly.

The impossibility of this is what makes file name extensions terrible: You can’t give the user control of their data. Coding the file type in the file name is a fundamentally bad idea. Would you put the date created in the file name? Size? Metadata? You’d probably say no. These are all file metadata that are as important as the file type. But, no, file type is a-ok because that’s how it’s always been outside of the Mac world! That’s just how things are, isn’t it?

It is, but it doesn’t have to be this way.

Apple solved the problem again eleven years ago with Uniform Type Identifiers. This system has solves many major problems with type/creator codes, file name extensions, and MIME types. It first solves specificity problems: Type/Creator codes are limited to four characters, which is small enough to have collisions with other file types. (This is also a problem with file name extensions, as file name extensions can theoretically be as long as possible, Microsoft & Co. refuse to break from the EIGHT.THREE file naming convention of yesteryear) It also doesn’t need a registration with a standards committee, which is a problem with MIME types. There’s also many more benefits and intricacies to Uniform Type Identifiers, which you’ll have to see the link I linked above to get all the juicy details on.

Now, Apple has been far from perfect in this arena. Back around the transition from Classic Mac OS to Mac OS X (Windows users: Think of the transition from Windows 9x to XP, but much bigger), Apple basically abandoned Type/Creator codes, making file name extensions the required form of file type identification. This lasts until today, which many Apple users (such as myself) are grumbly about. (Along with the lack of a new file system — but that’s on the way!)

I don’t know why you posted this, given the fact that there was no way I’d ever read it.

It’s not that full of technical jargon. The only problem is that it’s a few paragraphs long, which seems to be beyond your attention span.

My attention span only cares about things that matter.

File name extensions do matter! Don’t you want to name files whatever you want without having that pesky three character identifier at the end?

What’s wrong with file name extensions? You can still name the file whatever you want (pretty much), there’s just a period followed by the file type afterward. What’s wrong with being able to see the file type? What’s “pesky” about it?

My point is that file metadata should never, ever come into contact with the user space that is the file name, and that includes file types.

Why?

Because the file name is the user’s space. They should be able to put whatever they want in there.

Not being able to use nine pretty rarely-used characters in a filename has never once been an issue in my life.

You’re not getting my point. (purposefully, probably) I was complaining about file name extensions, which is different from character use. Also, it’s just technically offensive to not allow a thing that is totally possible to allow and will cause basically no problems at all.

Then your argument makes even less sense than I thought. I thought you were making the at least somewhat reasonable argument that you should be able to use any character you wanted to name your files, but you were actually saying that it’s bad that a file is labeled a .txt file (for example)? Jesus dude.

I don’t get how people can’t be fired up about this! It’s just technically wrong to do this. Technically offensive, as I said and you don’t seem to get.

Why should people be mad about something that doesn’t affect anyone anywhere in any way?

Because you should be mad at things that are done wrongly. It’s okay to be, try it.

I’m mad at your posts…

You see? It’s not so hard.

Bad memes???

Neglify said:

Bad memes???

Bad in the sense that all of them are non-factual and none of them make sense.

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

Factual =

Neglify said:

Factual =

Nope.

Yep.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want. The file name extension is way past the point where it was necessary, so we should abandon this outdated piece of technical history.

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

Why are you so worried about how things are abbreviated? Jesus Christ if I wasted half the time you have correcting people on how to type MAC and OSX in this thread, I’d be questioning my life.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want.

How? I can name my files whatever I want. The file extension isn’t the file name. I type in the file name, and the file name extension comes after that by default (it’s just labeling the file type in an easily viewed manner). It’s not oppressing me in any way, because I can still name my file whatever I want. And if I don’t want to see the file type at the end of the file name, I can turn it off.

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

The file type is actually kind of important for the user to know sometimes. There is nothing wrong with the file type being displayed along with the file name.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

They’ll try so hard to do so that they’ll capitulate to the norm four years or so after introducing their revolutionary perfect file naming system.

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Yep.

The user experience of the Mac is much better. While you have crappy laptops made of plastic, we have metal laptops that actually look nice.

Aesthetics have little to do with UX and even less to do with functionality.

I wasn’t even talking about aesthetics (barring the laptop comment. I mean, why shouldn’t you have a laptop you like the look of?). I was partly talking about UX, and also the way Windows feels. Windows feels clunky, and as I have said before, actively working against you.

I will agree that Apple sometimes tend to go too much towards the aesthetic side of things, but that tends to happen more in their hardware than their software. And, Apple is much better than Microsoft in this regard.

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

Why not?

File names are the user’s space and therefore stupid technical limitations shouldn’t come into it.

Oh, and check this out;

Like I said, not a solution.

Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

Imma just post Mack memes until this useless non-conversation dies down.

Non factual. Almost all of the most powerful applications that people use started or are only on the Mac, with some being on Windows and extremely rarely on Linux.

Not factual.

Nearly all of Adobe’s Creative Suite started on the Mac. Most of the main products of the Office suite (a Microsoft product, for that matter) started on the Mac. I can give more.

And yet they all run better on PC, weeeeird!

Prove it.

##### *NO.*****

Everything that is wrong with your argument in one single post.

Do you hear that? It’s the sound of your argument crashing to the ground.

The truth is, you have no legs to stand on, just prejudice and nonsense. And bad memes, in Neglify’s case.

No, I just don’t need to prove anything. Please tell me how any official Mac can run Photoshop, or Illustrator, or Maya, or anything better than my 4790K, 2x GTX 1080 SLI system with 32 gigs of RAM.

Okay, I will give you that. A couple of years ago I would have pointed to the Mac Pro but Apple’s neglected that over the past few years. A regretful point to you, sir.

Is it because I can name my files whatever I want? Oh, wait, I can’t do that in OSX.

The file thing is more of a general point: It signifies that Apple will usually try to yield to the user (unless the user will do something stupid) and Windows tries to work against you because of some technical reason.

Also, putting “OS” and “X” together is a big no-no.

How is having file extensions “working against the user”? How does having a jpeg at the end affect my experience at all?

You can’t name the file whatever you want.

How? I can name my files whatever I want. The file extension isn’t the file name. I type in the file name, and the file name extension comes after that by default (it’s just labeling the file type in an easily viewed manner). It’s not oppressing me in any way, because I can still name my file whatever I want. And if I don’t want to see the file type at the end of the file name, I can turn it off.

Even though you can turn it off, it’s still there. That’s not a solution. When you call something like that a solution, something is wrong with your system.

Also, file name extensions look ugly.

Also, as you and others refuse to accept, you should not ever have file metadata in the file name.

The file type is actually kind of important for the user to know sometimes. There is nothing wrong with the file type being displayed along with the file name.

Yes, there is, for all the reasons I have explained. And, the file type should be exposed to the user through other means, not the file name.