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Hi there,
You know i am always complaining about the new Star Wars stuff because it does not fit into my olde OT. At the moment i am irritaded because of the new stormtroopers, the death- and the shoretrooper.
The standart stormtrooper “were the elite soldiers of the Galactic Empire (wookiepedia)”. If you let the movie thing that they can not hit something aside, an elite soldier is the best soldier you have. It is very strange to believe that it is necessary to make a design-variant of this elite trooper.
The shadow-trooper from battlefront and the EU make a lot more sense, even the design.
The elite is the spearhead of the forces. Now there are soldiers with slightly adapted to fit different environments like the lighter scouttrooper or the cold assault stormtrooper. The difference were only of practical nature never optical. If the look changes there was always practical reason to do so. But you can always see the standart sout- or stormtrooper in the design. And there are all white, grey or black. The never use camouflaging colours.
Now we have a liht brown or khaki coloured shoretrooper. To me that makes no sense. Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy. The empire does use this all the same faceless black and white looking troopers to create fear.
And a beach is nearly the same as a desert. If there is a shoretrooper in RO it would be logically if there was a “woodtrooper” in ROTJ. But there is not! But the empire dos not work this way.
I do not like it and i think again that it is a disney-merchandising-problem.
I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come. I think the design of the new troopers should have been more like storm- and scouttroopers with slighly little differences not a whole new design.
The George Lucas clonetrooper fits more into Star Wars as this RO troopers.
And i hate to say that.
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I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”
If you only care about the OT, then why do you quote wookipedia? Where in the movies is it said that stormtroopers are the elite soldiers. This would mean there are also “normal” soldiers, which are not stormtroopers.
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I see what you’re saying - but they’re all just stormtroopers to me.
Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.
Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.
The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.
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Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.
Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.
The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.
A shoretrooper could just be something similar to a scout trooper. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy about them.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
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Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.
Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.
The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.
A shoretrooper could just be something similar to a scout trooper. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy about them.
But then why not just have a scout trooper or a sandtrooper?
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Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.
Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.
The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.
A shoretrooper could just be something similar to a scout trooper. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy about them.
But then why not just have a scout trooper or a sandtrooper?
Well a sandtrooper I belive is meant for deserts not beaches, scout troopers however woukd make more sense, but you could argue that they are meant for forest invironments, while shoretroopers might need to be able to operate both on land and in water (they actually remind me a little of the swamp troopers in the old EU.). They could be specialized for more tropical invironments as well.
I dunno, I’m sure we’ll get an explanation at some point.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novels.
Yeah, I feel like in the OT stormtroopers are just regular soldiers and there’s nothing elite about them. They certainly can’t shoot very well and die in droves.
Certainly there’s some aspect of marketing to it considering we saw in Star Wars that regular stormtroopers are modular and can be outfitted to work in other environments, but we also know that in-universe there are specialized armors for snowtroopers and scout troopers, plus TIE fighter pilots and AT-AT pilots and AT-ST pilots so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that there would be specialized armor for tank drivers and and other roles.
The shoretrooper thing better have certain specializations that a normal stormtrooper doesn’t have though.
A shoretrooper could just be something similar to a scout trooper. Doesn’t have to be anything fancy about them.
But then why not just have a scout trooper or a sandtrooper?
Well a sandtrooper I belive is meant for deserts not beaches, scout troopers however woukd make more sense, but you could argue that they are meant for forest invironments, while shoretroopers might need to be able to operate both on land and in water (they actually remind me a little of the swamp troopers in the old EU.). They could be specialized for more tropical invironments as well.
I dunno, I’m sure we’ll get an explanation at some point.
Yeah, that’s all I hope. Maybe they have some kinda dive capabilities or they’re special forces-y.
I’m not adverse to specialized troopers at all, I just want there to be reasons.
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At the moment i am irritaded because of the new stormtroopers, the death- and the shoretrooper.
That’s not how you spell “irradiated”.
Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy.
Another reason why ROTJ is pants.
It’s got a lot of good stuff, so it’s only half pants.
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Another reason why ROTJ is shorts?
Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy.
Another reason why ROTJ is pants.
That’s not how you spell “shit”.
Just kidding ROTJ isn’t shit but it is a bit disappointing.
Well standard Stormtroopers tend to be more widespread and used simply as patrol, but also for simple attacks when necessary. It makes sense that we only see standard Stormtroopers in ANH, as they were simply searching/patrolling the streets of Mos Eisley, and the Death Star is such a stronghold that the Empire wouldn’t necessarily need to keep any specialized troops on it, especially as it was only just completed right as the movie begins.
In ESB we see Snowtroopers which is great, but once were off Hoth we only see standard Stormtroopers again. To me, it works. Vader and a few Star Destroyers are looking for Han and Leia, and they have the whole thing planned out with Lando. There really isn’t a need to have any specialty troops running around.
Now in RotJ, this time we have a Death Star secretly being built on a planet which has no civilized (or perhaps I should say advanced) populace or major threats-- at least in the eyes of the Empire. Keeping specialty troops around doesn’t seem entirely necessary. But it certainly does seem odd that the Scout Troopers were not camouflaged. One could say that without any major threats on the planet, the camouflage is unnecessary, so they might as well stay white just to increase their own visibility in the woods. But nevertheless, it still seems odd.
This time around in RO, the Empire is hunting a dangerous espionage team, across multiple Imperial occupied planets. It makes sense that they pull multiple types of troopers from their local bases.
That’s a good enough explanation for me, but I know others aren’t always satisfied with that reasoning. Cheers either way!
I would actually love to see Disney completely rehaul the OT adding new ships and troopers, cleaning up effects, and what not (sort of like a special edition done properly). But let me say, I ONLY want that to happen if they ALSO give us the original unaltered versions in HD on the same release.
It’s not a bad line of thought, Humby, thanks!
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If you only care about the OT, then why do you quote wookipedia? Where in the movies is it said that stormtroopers are the elite soldiers. This would mean there are also “normal” soldiers, which are not stormtroopers.
Well for me it is not only about the OT but also the EU. I thought that my avatar makes this clear enough.
And even there is a continuity in stormtrooper-design and -purpose. Even in the PT you can see a continuity. Even in TFA the design makes sense and looks like a “natural” design development:
The RO-stormtrooper-designs does not fit.
And when i relate this to the real world and to real military designs, the form always follows the funktion. An armor that “represented some of the best in the Empire” would never be optically redesigned that much. You do not need to redesign a scout trooper to a shore trooper.
Thats all only for merchandise purposes.
And after all it does not look like a design in the Star Wars universe.
“LUKE… I’M SEEING HIM.
HE’S COMMANDING THE IMPERIAL FORCES… LIKE OUR FATHER!
I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”
There were specialized clones with different armor in TCW, (or at least unique helmet designs) so why are the RO guys a stretch?
And the clone trooper helmet in that photo is actually the Hasbro toy with the bigger visor, so little clones can actually see where they’re going. 😉
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I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.
Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉
In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.
I think the design of the new troopers should have been more like storm- and scouttroopers with slighly little differences not a whole new design.
The design is pretty much a pre cursor to the scout trooper, and NOT the stormtrooper. So, instead of comparing the stormtrooper / clone trooper helmets as a way to prove your point, you should compare the shoretrooper/ scout trooper instead.
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Now we have a liht brown or khaki coloured shoretrooper. To me that makes no sense. Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy. The empire does use this all the same faceless black and white looking troopers to create fear.The George Lucas clonetrooper fits more into Star Wars as this RO troopers.
And i hate to say that.
Yeh, because george never had troopers that weren’t all white …oh, wait…
The new troopers fit in perfectly with the universe. The designs are very reminiscent of the old concept designs done for Star Wars.
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I like when he pops up to tell other people how they’re wrong.
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I like when he pops up to tell other people how they’re wrong.
It’s the only we’ll learn.
I like when he pops up to tell other people how they’re wrong.
He’s like impscum minus impscum. Which is almost as great as Garfield Minus Garfield.
I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.
Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉
In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.
I think the design of the new troopers should have been more like storm- and scouttroopers with slighly little differences not a whole new design.
The design is pretty much a pre cursor to the scout trooper, and NOT the stormtrooper. So, instead of comparing the stormtrooper / clone trooper helmets as a way to prove your point, you should compare the shoretrooper/ scout trooper instead.
The Dark Empire said:
Now we have a liht brown or khaki coloured shoretrooper. To me that makes no sense. Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy. The empire does use this all the same faceless black and white looking troopers to create fear.The George Lucas clonetrooper fits more into Star Wars as this RO troopers.
And i hate to say that.Yeh, because george never had troopers that weren’t all white …oh, wait…
The new troopers fit in perfectly with the universe. The designs are very reminiscent of the old concept designs done for Star Wars.
Thank you!!! Never understood his problem with the new outfits.
The standart stormtrooper “were the elite soldiers of the Galactic Empire (wookiepedia)”. If you let the movie thing that they can not hit something aside, an elite soldier is the best soldier you have. It is very strange to believe that it is necessary to make a design-variant of this elite trooper.
That’s just it though, the key word you used was soldier. Soldiers fight in wars, and by the time of RO and ANH, the war had ended. Yes, skirmishes and battles still ran rampant, but the Empire wasn’t fighting planet wide battles against an opposing army anymore. Their enemies now hid in the shadows, in more volatile environments, and on less inhabited planets, etc. A faceless army is far less useful in fighting these hidden enemies. And so Stormtroopers essentially devolved into armed guards, patrol, law enforcement, etc.
I’m sure the Empire kept a large number of standard Stormtroopers on their bases (just like on the Death Star in ANH) so that they could be called upon if necessary, but large scale army vs army battles were no longer common place like they were during the Clone Wars.
Long story short, when your enemy is hiding, you need your troops to be capable of working in the same way, and thus more specialized troops were trained for more specialized missions. To me, it just seems logical.
I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.
Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉
In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.
I think the design of the new troopers should have been more like storm- and scouttroopers with slighly little differences not a whole new design.
The design is pretty much a pre cursor to the scout trooper, and NOT the stormtrooper. So, instead of comparing the stormtrooper / clone trooper helmets as a way to prove your point, you should compare the shoretrooper/ scout trooper instead.
The Dark Empire said:
Now we have a liht brown or khaki coloured shoretrooper. To me that makes no sense. Even in green environments the empire uses white soldiers. It is because they do not hide from the enemy. The empire does use this all the same faceless black and white looking troopers to create fear.The George Lucas clonetrooper fits more into Star Wars as this RO troopers.
And i hate to say that.Yeh, because george never had troopers that weren’t all white …oh, wait…
The new troopers fit in perfectly with the universe. The designs are very reminiscent of the old concept designs done for Star Wars.
Actually the new shoretrooper looks more like a natural, real 20 years before predecessor to the OT’s stormtrooper than EPII Boba Fett-esque helmet.
IMO, design-wise a natural sequence would be
RO shoretrooper - OT stormtrooper - ROTS Clonetrooper (for ST)
TFA’s Apple iTrooper just looks plainly wrong to me.