I've been toying with doing this for a while. Haven't been entirely happy with the results of my various tests yet, but once I am, I'll start a new thread for it and post a link to it in this one.
I don't have even a rough timetable, mind you - again, I'm just toying with tests for various scenes right now. I might eventually decide this can't be done to my satisfaction, but I hope that doesn't end up being the case.
Is there a 60i preservation of the true NTSC version anywhere, from off-air VHS or that rare Hong Kong laserdisc?
Coming to Blu-ray:
http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/the-doctor-who-tv-movie-lands-on-bluray
It’s an upscale, but can we hope they don’t screw up the frame rate this time?
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Are the 35mm film elements truly lost, or are the powers that be just too cheap to fund rebuilding this from scratch?
Where were you in '77?
Well if it’s an upscale, what’s the point?
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
I’m fairly certain that all previous DVD releases suffered from field-blending problems.
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I happen to have a US broadcast version recorded from a Mystery Channel broadcast way back. It was done on a DVD recorder, but it’s since been duplicated to an MKV file at 480p.
Would anyone find this useful, either for the project or otherwise?
Just checked this again. This is the 480i version, not 480p recorded as I thought, and appears to be complete at the proper speed. If this has any use for this project, PM me.
It might be useful as a reference, but I don’t think ChainsawAsh is actively working on this any more.
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Well if it’s an upscale, what’s the point?
Less compression and no MPEG2 artifacts. Lossless audio. Night of the Doctor (the only other televised 8th Doctor appearance). That’s about it. Probably not worth a rebuy for most, but a better product than the DVD.
I may consider it.
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
Well if it’s an upscale, what’s the point?
Less compression and no MPEG2 artifacts. Lossless audio. Night of the Doctor (the only other televised 8th Doctor appearance). That’s about it. Probably not worth a rebuy for most, but a better product than the DVD.
Is the Blu-ray video encoded as clean progressive frames, no interlacing or field-blending?
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Well if it’s an upscale, what’s the point?
Less compression and no MPEG2 artifacts. Lossless audio. Night of the Doctor (the only other televised 8th Doctor appearance). That’s about it. Probably not worth a rebuy for most, but a better product than the DVD.
Is the Blu-ray video encoded as clean progressive frames, no interlacing or field-blending?
I believe it’s the same as the PAL DVD master.
Because 25 fps is not a blu-ray standard (and they for some reason wanted to present it at 25), it’s 50i, which of course is a blu-ray standard. They most likely did what they did for Spearhead, “‘Spearhead’ was originally shot and edited at 25fps, as befits a UK television production, so was remastered at 25 progressive frames per second, or 25P as it is known colloquially. However, the Blu-ray standard doesn’t include 25P, so it is presented on Blu-ray at 50i (50 interlaced fields per second), which is the norm for this sort of material. As both fields originate from the same point in time (ie the same film frame), there is no real difference between 50i and 25P in this case.”
I haven’t read this whole thread. But I’m aware that some have claimed that there’s frame blending on every version released so far. Do we actually know this to be the case for the PAL SE DVD? Given that it’s simply a sped up version of the 24 fps film, it doesn’t need any frame blending (which is not to say they haven’t screwed with it anyway). The NTSC DVD of course is afflicted.
I’d be happy to check against an example frame from the PAL DVD if you have a time stamp and screenshot as example.
I haven’t read this whole thread. But I’m aware that some have claimed that there’s frame blending on every version released so far. Do we actually know this to be the case for the PAL SE DVD? Given that it’s simply a sped up version of the 24 fps film, it doesn’t need any frame blending (which is not to say they haven’t screwed with it anyway). The NTSC DVD of course is afflicted.
The Restoration team website mentions that the PAL video was a DEFT conversion.
As mentioned above, the preferred method of converting film-based content that has been hard telecined with 3:2 pulldown to 30fps is to IVTC back to 24fps then speed up to 25fps.
While a DEFT conversion purports to do this, it does all other kinds of shit as well. So you end up with video that has 4% speedup and blended fields…
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Would the 2016 Blu Ray work better for a PAL-to-NTSC conversion or would it still present similar problems as the PAL DVD?
Likely the same problems, but at higher resolution, so it might be easier to correct? I don’t know. Don’t have the BR, but I may pick it up at some point and resurrect this project. I’ll update the OP if and when that happens, but don’t hold your breath - if someone else wants to tackle this, by all means, go for it!
Likely the same problems, but at higher resolution, so it might be easier to correct? I don’t know. Don’t have the BR, but I may pick it up at some point and resurrect this project. I’ll update the OP if and when that happens, but don’t hold your breath - if someone else wants to tackle this, by all means, go for it!
I have the Blu Ray but no BD drive, but I did find a 1080p rip from UseNet and had a quick mess-around with tsmuxer to see what it would be like when slowed down to 24fps. I’m just figuring out the best way to slow the DTS audio down.
EDIT - Used Audacity to slow down audio to 24fps and have remuxed new audio and video together. Syncs up perfectly and overall looks pretty good IMO. If anyone wants to take a look at it and give their expert opinion, feel free to PM me.
That’ll get it to run at the correct speed, but there’s still a ton of ugly interlacing artefacts that will need to be fixed. That was my biggest issue when working with the DVD.
Unless they somehow fixed them for the BR, which I doubt…
I’d offer to take a look but as I said, I don’t own the BD so I don’t feel comfortable doing so until I do (and, of course, there are forum rules to take into account).
That’ll get it to run at the correct speed, but there’s still a ton of ugly interlacing artefacts that will need to be fixed. That was my biggest issue when working with the DVD.
Unless they somehow fixed them for the BR, which I doubt…
I’d offer to take a look but as I said, I don’t own the BD so I don’t feel comfortable doing so until I do (and, of course, there are forum rules to take into account).
That’s fair enough.
I’m probably not as eagle-eyed as a lot of other people here but I couldn’t see any noticeable issues after the slowdown. I haven’t watched it from start to finish yet since my re-edit but even if it does suffer from said issues, it’ll certainly do for now until it ever gets officially mastered properly. It’s still nice to hear Paul McGann’s voice as it should be. Maybe if slowing down the Blu Ray isn’t the ideal solution for now, the audio at least could be pitched down by about 4% even if the speed is still kept at 25fps.
There’s A Ebay Link To A VHS Recording.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOCTOR-WHO-FOX-MOVIE-MAD-TV-HOME-RECORDED-VHS-SOLD-AS-BLANK-FREE-SHIP/372678486050?hash=item56c55e6822:g:w-wAAOSwu2tcloTd
Just checked this again. This is the 480i version, not 480p recorded as I thought, and appears to be complete at the proper speed. If this has any use for this project, PM me.
You wouldn’t still have the Doctor Who movie at the proper speed, do you ?
Just checked this again. This is the 480i version, not 480p recorded as I thought, and appears to be complete at the proper speed. If this has any use for this project, PM me.
You wouldn’t still have the Doctor Who movie at the proper speed, do you ?
I still have a 664 mb version labeled “TV RECORDING Doctor Who - The Movie - The enemy within (1996).avi” with a resolution of 512x384 29.97 fps
I also remember the year of the 50th watching the movie on BBC America right after the Doctors Revisited special and the movie played at the right speed there
Just checked this again. This is the 480i version, not 480p recorded as I thought, and appears to be complete at the proper speed. If this has any use for this project, PM me.
You wouldn’t still have the Doctor Who movie at the proper speed, do you ?
I still have a 664 mb version labeled “TV RECORDING Doctor Who - The Movie - The enemy within (1996).avi” with a resolution of 512x384 29.97 fps
I also remember the year of the 50th watching the movie on BBC America right after the Doctors Revisited special and the movie played at the right speed there
I don’t suppose you could post it somewhere so I could get my hands on it ?
Just checked this again. This is the 480i version, not 480p recorded as I thought, and appears to be complete at the proper speed. If this has any use for this project, PM me.
You wouldn’t still have the Doctor Who movie at the proper speed, do you ?
I still have a 664 mb version labeled “TV RECORDING Doctor Who - The Movie - The enemy within (1996).avi” with a resolution of 512x384 29.97 fps
I also remember the year of the 50th watching the movie on BBC America right after the Doctors Revisited special and the movie played at the right speed there
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