Raiders of the Lost Ark 35mm LPP Theatrical Experience - v1.0 (Released) — Page 2

DrDre said:

litemakr said:

DrDre said:

I’m really curious to know, which home video release first introduced the red cast in the bar? It really changes the atmosphere.

I recently bought the first laserdisc release from 1984. However, I don’t own a laserdisc player, so I should have it transfered to dvd. It’s pan and scan, but I guess it still has some historic significance.

That’s the first home video release. I have the VHS version, I’ll track it down and take a look. The next transfer was in 1991 for the widescreen LD and VHS, I’ll check that too.

The scenes in 1981 making of have the correct color.

Did you get a chance to take a look at those home video releases?

I did find my original Raiders VHS from 1983. Unfortunately the bar scene doesn’t play anymore, it is all static. Some parts do play, and wow it’s amazing how bad the quality is. But I remember getting it as a kid and watching it repeatedly and thinking it looked great.

Anyway, I couldn’t see enough to determine the color. I do have another later VHS copy of the same transfer (they used that transfer from 1983 to 1992). I’ll try to find that. I also have the 1992 LD somewhere (the second home video transfer), I’ll try to find it.

I’m really enjoying watching these 35mm experiences. However I’m struggling to find alternate sources for raiders. Other than the one private tracker (which I’d love to use one day) can anyone point me in the right direction. Thanks

Wow, this is so neat! Will hopefully grab this soon. Can’t wait to watch it! I should really check this section of the forum more often. I had no idea this or the THX1138 film scan project even existed until recently…

Dek Rollins said:

I have a question: why do some scenes have this blue-violet flicker over the image?

Is that part of the print, or is that from the scan? Just curious.

That is part of the print. There is some kind of damage to the second half of reel 2 from the bar gunfight to the middle of the Cario sequence. It could have happened when the print was made at the lab, or the reel could have had something spilled on it. The plan is to replace that entire section if and when we are able to scan a second print.

litemakr said:

Dek Rollins said:

I have a question: why do some scenes have this blue-violet flicker over the image?

Is that part of the print, or is that from the scan? Just curious.

That is part of the print. There is some kind of damage to the second half of reel 2 from the bar gunfight to the middle of the Cario sequence. It could have happened when the print was made at the lab, or the reel could have had something spilled on it. The plan is to replace that entire section if and when we are able to scan a second print.

It should actually be possible to correct the blue-violet flicker with the color matching algorithm using neighbouring frames:

DrDre said:

litemakr said:

Dek Rollins said:

I have a question: why do some scenes have this blue-violet flicker over the image?

Is that part of the print, or is that from the scan? Just curious.

That is part of the print. There is some kind of damage to the second half of reel 2 from the bar gunfight to the middle of the Cario sequence. It could have happened when the print was made at the lab, or the reel could have had something spilled on it. The plan is to replace that entire section if and when we are able to scan a second print.

It should actually be possible to correct the blue-violet flicker with the color matching algorithm using neighbouring frames:

It’s not always a flicker, it’s more of discolored stain which runs intermittently through around 10 minutes of the movie. I think it would be very difficult to correct, but I’m open to trying if we can’t get another print scanned for the section.

To enhance this rare LLP theatre experience, I’ve uploaded on the ‘spleen a folder containing audio files of sound mixes of the film that have been edited to play in sync with this release.

Rather than duplicate the unintentional splicing of the release print’s optical soundtrack caused by damaged missing frames, these edits were made to polish the transition over the skip-frames so that you can better immerse yourself into the movie.

The audio options are as follows:
5.1 channel, DTS-HDMA mix from the official 2012 Blu Ray release. [dts file]
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1981 theatrical mix sourced from the 1989 Japanese, Full-Screen, LaserDisc release (WAV file)*
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1992 mix for the US, Wide-Screen LaserDisc release (WAV file)*

All you have to do is mux these files to the MKV video and you are good to go.

Bear in mind that each of these audio files includes the length of the introduction that proceeds the film, so, for best results, apply these files to the original video file that came with litemakr’s release

*audio files were made possible by schorman13 from his Indiana Jones LaserDisc Archive. My thanks to schorman13 for capturing the LD’s audio, for sharing, and for maintaining the archive.

Enjoy.

alexp120 said:

To enhance this rare LLP theatre experience, I’ve uploaded on the ‘spleen a folder containing audio files of sound mixes of the film that have been edited to play in sync with this release.

Rather than duplicate the unintentional splicing of the release print’s optical soundtrack caused by damaged missing frames, these edits were made to polish the transition over the skip-frames so that you can better immerse yourself into the movie.

The audio options are as follows:
5.1 channel, DTS-HDMA mix from the official 2012 Blu Ray release. [dts file]
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1981 theatrical mix sourced from the 1989 Japanese, Full-Screen, LaserDisc release (WAV file)*
2.0 channel, Dolby Surround-encoded, 1992 mix for the US, Wide-Screen LaserDisc release (WAV file)*

All you have to do is mux these files to the MKV video and you are good to go.

Bear in mind that each of these audio files includes the length of the introduction that proceeds the film, so, for best results, apply these files to the original video file that came with litemakr’s release

*audio files were made possible by schorman13 from his Indiana Jones LaserDisc Archive. My thanks to schorman13 for capturing the LD’s audio, for sharing, and for maintaining the archive.

Enjoy.

Awesome, thanks! If you have some extra time, the DVD mix should be included. That is a 5.1 version of the original 70mm 6 track mix. Pretty much the same as the wowow mix but less compressed. I prefer it to the blu-ray mix, which is a bit too remixed for me.

I’ll make an effort, but, I’ll have to borrow a copy from someone. Like a fool, I traded-it in when the Blu Ray came out. 😦

Listened to these last night. You did a great job of smoothing out the edits. The 1989 laserdisc mix is really compressed, to the point that it isn’t listenable IMO. I think the original Dolby optical track is much better. There doesn’t seem to be a good uncompressed source for the original 1981 mix.

I forgot how much I liked the 1992 laserdisc mix. It’s a remix, but still pretty close to the original Dolby mix. It’s probably the best overall mix, with good dynamics. The blu-ray remix has a lot more subwoofer bass, but levels are wrong, sound effects are subdued or missing and it actually lacks dynamic range in places. Plus the music has a rather obnoxious echo effect added to the surround channels.

A little bit off topic but which LD track (what year) is used on the Spleen’s 38gb WOWOW?

Edit: Okay it’s probably more than a little off topic but I just couldn’t help but wonder if the WOWOW on the Spleen has the unlistenable 1989 mix or not.

Dek Rollins said:

litemakr said:

Listened to these last night. You did a great job of smoothing out the edits. The 1989 laserdisc mix is really compressed, to the point that it isn’t listenable IMO. I think the original Dolby optical track is much better. There doesn’t seem to be a good uncompressed source for the original 1981 mix.

Yeah, I thought it just sounded too quiet and lacking in the dynamic sound of the optical track. Does the original LD release have the same track as the '89 Japanese LD?

I forgot how much I liked the 1992 laserdisc mix. It’s a remix, but still pretty close to the original Dolby mix. It’s probably the best overall mix, with good dynamics.

Are there any notable differences between the '81 and '92 mixes that would make it too unoriginal for a purist?

All home video releases from 1983-1991 have the same mix. I’m not completely sure if it is exactly the same as the theatrical. It is pretty flat and compressed, as you would expect since most people back then would be hearing it on a small TV speaker.

All LD and VHS releases from 1992-2002 have the same remixed soundtrack. There are very slight differences in sound effects, the most notable being the sound of the staff being dropped into the map room and a wind sound before the lights explode on the altar. There might be more but I haven’t directly compared it to the theatrical. Plus very slight differences in levels. Overall still a very good mix with good dynamic range.

From 2003-2011 all releases use the DVD mix, which is a 5.1 version of the 70mm 6 track mix. The surrounds are a bit too loud IMO, but it is all original AFAIK.

All releases since 2012 use the blu-ray remix.

I have been trying to get a hold of the alternate mix, which was used on some 16mm prints and possibly a TBS broadcast. This is (probably) an early mix and is less polished. It has some different dialogue takes, very different music editing and differences in sound effects and levels. This mix is the base for most foreign language mixes. So if you listen to the French mix on the DVD or blu-ray for example, you are hearing the music and effects for this mix. Compare the opening of the ark scene, for example, to hear very different (and more rough) music editing, vocal effects and sound effects.