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Jeebus said:

Not everyone mad about the new Ghostbusters is a misogynist but lots of people mad about the new Ghostbusters are.

I don’t think you can know that. I’m not so cynical to say that lots of people hate women.

It’s sad but true. And I’m rarely cynical.

Not to say if this same movie as advertised featured males it wouldn’t get hate but I think the astronomically high levels of hate we’re seeing are clear signs that misogyny is having some impact.

Or it’s because it looked like an awful cash grab remake that shits directly into the mouth of the beloved classic it was based on. As I said, it’s like a shitty Adam Sandler remake of STAR WARS. Do you want Kevin James as Han Solo? I don’t.

First of all: not a remake.
Second of all: if any film in this franchise is a cash grab that shits directly into the mouth of the “beloved classic” it is Ghostbusters II.
Third of all, your Star Wars comparison is completely inapt. Star Wars was not a comedy so casting comedic actors would obviously not be a good idea. Furthermore, Sandler and James are two of the absolute worst comedic actors “working” today, whereas Ghostbusters features some of the best and freshest comedic talent of today (male or female) in McKinnon, Wiig, McCarthy, Jones, and etc. Whether or not they are at their absolute best here is a different debate.

Not to belittle you guys but it’s unfortunate that the debate I’m having about this movie is whether it’s just some piece of garbage that should never have been made. I mostly liked the film but I do have complaints that I’d love to talk about but it’s a shame when the conversation is just about whether it’s completely unfunny (which is most certainly not the case) and not a deeper talk about the filmmaking and where things went wrong there (though of course I know people some people are picking up on that but perhaps don’t quite know how to pin point what’s not so great).

Well please do talk about it. That’s what this thread is for. I’m basing my thoughts solely on the trailers and I’ve seen people say that the trailers made the movie look a lot worse than it actually was.

First of all Paul Feig is not a great director. Don’t get me wrong, he has great comedic timing and always gets funny performances out of his actors but there’s not much cinematic talent beyond that. Everything everything is shot blandly. Which might work for something like Bridesmaids but for a supernatural action adventure it falls a little flat. There’s nothing remotely scary. No suspense. There’s a good deal of action but it is pretty uninteresting. It’s just a basic comedy that happens to be about people who fight ghosts. Ultimately, even if people can’t put their finger on it, I think this is the biggest reason why people are saying it doesn’t live up to the original. They may think it’s because it’s unfunny (because well it’s a comedy and if you don’t like it as much as another comedy it must be because it’s not as funny, right?) but that’s not true. This movie is funny. Of course comedy is subjective and not every joke lands but this movie is dense with jokes (I can say objectively there are more jokes in this than in the original) and thankfully the large majority do land.

There are other script problems (underdeveloped characters and relationships) and the plot is rather unspecial but the film moves so quickly you don’t really care.

If you’re just watching looking for a fun/funny movie - you’re in luck.

As for “shitting” on the sacred and all holy original film, I’d say there’s none of it except for one small thing that annoyed me. Obviously it’s a reboot so they can do what they want, but that there was no respect for crossing the streams rubbed me the wrong way.

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I wouldn’t call Leslie Jones one of the best and freshest comics today.

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Tyrphanax said:

However: and I kinda began to allude to this before, but I think my issue with this situation isn’t so much that the joke is about vaginal flatulence, but more that they made a gross-out joke at all (fart, queef, poop, dick, ballsack, washing slime out of “every crack”, whatever), and that the decided it was strong enough to put it prominently in a trailer (which sets a tone for the film).

Immature and especially gross-out “humor” has never been my thing (I can’t remember an instance where I’ve found myself enjoying a fart joke) and I always feel like it lowers a film to a certain level of immaturity and unfunniness.

Fair enough. Gross out humor is usually pretty base and unfunny, though I personally like to think that it’s not necessarily true that those jokes can never work. It’s all about context, construction, and delivery. 95% of fart jokes are horribly unfunny but there is that 5% that can make them work in an unexpected way. If it’s actually funny, I’m not going to keep myself from laughing because of the mere fact that it’s a fart joke.

Of course, that isn’t to say that the gross out humor in the new Ghostbusters is funny. Out of the very few gross out jokes in the film that I can think of off the top of my head, I didn’t laugh at any. But this is a film with a lot of jokes so usually they’d move right on to a different joke that I did laugh at so I didn’t really care.

In the case of the queef joke, I didn’t laugh. But, as I mentioned earlier, there was a purpose. I don’t know why they’d want to figure this joke prominently in a trailer as it is does not match the tone of the film. It does, however, as I said, set the tone for McKinnon’s character. So even if it’s not all that funny it still serves a purpose. It’s a small thing, but still.

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DominicCobb said:

First of all: not a remake.

What is a remake, then? I was under the impression that they were ‘overriding’ the canon of the previous Ghostbusters movies, making this the only Ghostbusters.

Second of all: if any film in this franchise is a cash grab that shits directly into the mouth of the “beloved classic” it is Ghostbusters II.

That’s fair.

Third of all, your Star Wars comparison is completely inapt. Star Wars was not a comedy so casting comedic actors would obviously not be a good idea. Furthermore, Sandler and James are two of the absolute worst comedic actors “working” today, whereas Ghostbusters features some of the best and freshest comedic talent of today (male or female) in McKinnon, Wiig, McCarthy, Jones, and etc. Whether or not they are at their absolute best here is a different debate.

I guess that’s a matter of opinion, but I’m not a big fan of McCarthy, I think she suffers from Johnny Depp syndrome. She seems to play the same character in every movie, and it starts to get old.

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American Pie is a perfect example of a film that, on paper, I would hate. That being said, I laughed all the way through. I had been up for days though, so part of my hysterical laughter may have been caused by that, among other things. Either way, it made low-brow jokes work for me.

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Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

First of all: not a remake.

What is a remake, then? I was under the impression that they were ‘overriding’ the canon of the previous Ghostbusters movies, making this the only Ghostbusters.

Maybe semantics but a remake is a retelling of the same story. This is a reboot. Same concept, different story and characters.

Third of all, your Star Wars comparison is completely inapt. Star Wars was not a comedy so casting comedic actors would obviously not be a good idea. Furthermore, Sandler and James are two of the absolute worst comedic actors “working” today, whereas Ghostbusters features some of the best and freshest comedic talent of today (male or female) in McKinnon, Wiig, McCarthy, Jones, and etc. Whether or not they are at their absolute best here is a different debate.

I guess that’s a matter of opinion, but I’m not a big fan of McCarthy, I think she suffers from Johnny Depp syndrome. She seems to play the same character in every movie, and it starts to get old.

Well I can’t say for sure because I’ve only seen three McCarthy films (this, Bridesmaids, Spy) but she plays quite different characters in each. Actually I was surprised to see her play the straight man here. I though that’d be Wiig but she actually plays a kind of weirdo. McCarthy might be the most normal of the bunch which I wasn’t expecting.

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She’s going to play General MacArthur in Paul Feig’s upcoming film based on the Korean War.

EDIT: I hear she’s very opinionated on the subject.

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I’ve heard the theory that they put all the worst (i.e. queef) jokes in the trailers because they wanted to reassure 12 year old boys (including the 30 year old boys who still somehow love fart and dick jokes) that this would be something they could enjoy too. They are running a business here, after all.

And in the past I had the same complaint about McCarthy being the same annoying character all the time, and that was the other fear I had about this movie, but as Dom said that wasn’t even close to an issue here.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I wouldn’t call Leslie Jones one of the best and freshest comics today.

A lot of people disagree with you.

This is the first I’m hearing of them.

EDIT: Also, whoever edited that trailer either had a grudge against Sony, or was a total idiot if he thought that it would be appealing to anyone. Regardless of whatever came out in the end, that trailer was awful.

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Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close 9.5/10

Amazing, simply amazing film making went into this. Beautiful cinematography, extremely original score, perfect acting from everyone, and a strikingly accurate depiction of grief as well as asperger’s syndrome. My only complaint is that it has very little rewatch value. Check it out!

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I wouldn’t call Leslie Jones one of the best and freshest comics today.

A lot of people disagree with you.

This is the first I’m hearing of them.

If your perception was correct she wouldn’t be working in show business.

Leslie Jones is not funny and she’s barely in “show business.” The only acclaim to fame she has is that she’s a cast member on SNL. Their casting has been terrible the last few years. I challenge anyone to find an SNL bit of hers that is commonly hailed as hilarious. The only reason she landed Ghostbusters is that Feig needed a woman of color and so grabbed the only one he knows of being familiar with SNL.

If they wanted to get someone with some actual talent they would have gone after the likes of Yvette Nicole Brown, Donna Meagle, Aisha Tyler or Rosario Dawson.

That all said, I do feel bad criticizing Leslie in light of the recent racist harassment she’s received at the hands of trolls on twitter. No one deserves that.

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I have seen nothing of Leslie Jones prior to Ghostbusters. I think she was solid, with some definite good bits, but nothing spectacular. My wife also thinks she’s great on SNL, however.

JEDIT: No offense but I’m gonna trust Chris Rock over anyone on this forum.

http://jezebel.com/leslie-jones-fuck-you-ive-been-funny-1749928963

Jones got her SNL shot after Chris Rock told Lorne Michaels (head of the sketch show) to give her a chance, calling her the “funniest woman I know.”

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Wasn’t she in the Matt the Radar Technician skit? I thought that was funny.

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Beats me, I’m not watching that right now, but Chris Rock is funny.

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Kate McKinnon is top tier. I hope people end up holding her to the same regard they currently do Wiig. I love her mostly for her Hillary, but in every other role she gets to be so goofy!

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Whatever Chris Rock thinks of her, I have yet to meet someone in person (and just now online) that actually enjoys Leslie Jones’ comedy. She’s somewhat similar to Dane Cook – who, to be fair, is probably much worse than her – in the sense that no one likes her, yet she has a following.

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If no one liked her, she wouldn’t have a following.

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Right. I don’t think he’s denying that people like her, just that it’s strange that nobody he knows personally (outside of OT.com now) likes her, and yet she has a following.

I’m shit at explaining things so this probably won’t help.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Probably won’t, because he said “no one likes her.” If he means “no one I know likes her” he should say that.

And yes I know he said that in the previous sentence.