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Now you’re just provoking me.

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yhwx said:

Actually, Laserdisc audio is stored digitally.

Only on titles released after 1985 or so. 😉

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Where were you in '77?

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True. But my dad has a huge vinyl and CD collection. Lots of titles on both. Haven’t encountered a single instance where the vinyl didn’t blow the CD out of the water. Played on the same receiver and speakers. A good turntable and receiver with good receivers is going to sound better, you can quote as many articles if you want but until you’ve heard vinyl on the proper setup you haven’t heard recorded music.

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Were they the exact same volume? Studies have proven that people are more likely to prefer sources that are just a tad louder.

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Cds are almost always mastered louder so that argument means nothing.

But I adjusted the volume of playback so that it matched between sources if that’s what you mean.

Even at the same overall volume, the percussion “kicked” more, the bass was deeper, and the higher frequency instruments had more detail.

For example, on orchestral recordings (I have the entire star WARS trilogy on soundtrack in both vinyl and CD form to compare) on t he record I hear violins, cellos, tubas, trombones, trumpets, flutes, piccolos, etc. On the Cds I just hear strings, brass, and woodwinds. There’s just an extra quality and detail to vinyl that perhaps can’t be explained in technical terms.

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Might just be a placebo.

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With most high end audiophile stuff, it is. Go and do an ABX test.

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moviefreakedmind said:

RicOlie_2 said:

You could say I’ve worked nights if homework counts… This past year, there have been several nights during which I did homework from 4 pm to 4 am and got up at 6:30 (sometimes multiple nights in a row), plus a couple all-nighters.

I wouldn’t say homework counts. What high school gives 12 hours worth of homework?

I’m in a program that involves a much heavier workload than average. That, combined with the fact that I am an extremem perfectionist (and didn’t manage my time as well as I could have earlier in the year), equals tons of time doing homework.

I’ve been told that first year university is significantly easier than grade 11 in this program. I’ve already done a university-level research project in biology, plus a couple fairly long essays (3000 and 2000 words) in social/history. I’ve got a 4000-word one coming up next year too that I should probably research a bit before school starts. It’s nohing I can’t handle, but when I’ve got two or three projects like that to do at once, on top of work and stuff, life sucks.

But it’s mostly my perfectionism that makes things take so long, compounded with the fact that I get stuck in a perpetual cycle of sleep deprivation leading to homework taking longer leading to more sleep deprivation…

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LOL! Hey, I don’t get marked on this stuff–at least my perfectionism is somewhat selective.

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I prefer to listen to audio on a reel-to-reel.

Richard can you write my thesis for me? Thanks, I’ll leave it on your desk.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Except for how he said that vinyl is better than CD.

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I’m supported by facts.

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I think I’m the extreme perfectionist.

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Possessed said:

True. But my dad has a huge vinyl and CD collection. Lots of titles on both. Haven’t encountered a single instance where the vinyl didn’t blow the CD out of the water. Played on the same receiver and speakers. A good turntable and receiver with good receivers is going to sound better, you can quote as many articles if you want but until you’ve heard vinyl on the proper setup you haven’t heard recorded music.

Hahaha no.
The last third of EVERY side of EVERY record suffers from audible Inner Groove Distortion. It is a fundamental, inescapable limitation of the vinyl medium. As a partial ameliorative measure, the cutting engineers painstakingly REMOVE higher frequencies from the waveform gradually as they move into the center of the disc. This is a measurable, audible, undebatable LOSS of information and fidelity. And it HAS to be done on EVERY record.
And it sounds, frankly, like goddamn shit.

I say this as a compulsive vinyl collector.

Then, there is the unmistakable, rhythmic THWIP that happens, to some degree, on a significant minority of records due to minor disc warping, which happens during manufacture. Watch a record. Except for a very few lucky flat pressings, the tonearm will almost always bob up and down to some degree. This causes audible WOW on nearly every disc, and frequently (I’d estimate a quarter of new pressings that I buy) you get that nice THWIP as the tonearm takes a moment too long to dip back down into the groove.

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Darth Id said:

Possessed said:

True. But my dad has a huge vinyl and CD collection. Lots of titles on both. Haven’t encountered a single instance where the vinyl didn’t blow the CD out of the water. Played on the same receiver and speakers. A good turntable and receiver with good receivers is going to sound better, you can quote as many articles if you want but until you’ve heard vinyl on the proper setup you haven’t heard recorded music.

Hahaha no.
The last third of EVERY side of EVERY record suffers from audible Inner Groove Distortion. It is a fundamental, inescapable limitation of the vinyl medium. As a partial ameliorative measure, the cutting engineers painstakingly REMOVE higher frequencies from the waveform gradually as they move into the center of the disc. This is a measurable, audible, undebatable LOSS of information and fidelity. And it HAS to be done on EVERY record.
And it sounds, frankly, like goddamn shit.

I say this as a compulsive vinyl collector.

Then, there is the unmistakable, rhythmic THWIP that happens, to some degree, on a significant minority of records due to minor disc warping, which happens during manufacture. Watch a record. Except for a very few lucky flat pressings, the tonearm will almost always bob up and down to some degree. This causes audible WOW on nearly every disc, and frequently (I’d estimate a quarter of new pressings that I buy) you get that nice THWIP as the tonearm takes a moment too long to dip back down into the groove.

Wow. I wholeheartedly agree with this. What has happened in this world?

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I let my ears judge what sounds better above what written words say should sound better, sorry.