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Idea & Info: 'Batman V Superman - Dawn of the Edits'

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well with the 2 hour R-rated Ultimate Cut coming out on July 19th, I was wondering if anyone here will be tackling this one weather it be the theatrical cut or the extended one or a mixture of both, Hopefully Agent9 will eventually have a go at it a with a similar structure that he accomplished in his Man of Steel Edit (which he is currently revising for even more epic fanedit goodness) id love to see the film color corrected/recolored like Man of Steel Remastered, especially to enhance wonder woman’s suit and reveal the colors that were seen in production photos, superman’s suit is brighter this time around but still it could look bluer as for batman nothing really needs to be done except maybe color correction and brightness could show more detail on the suit idk I was just wondering and hopping seeing how well many MOS edits came out

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that sounds cool man, the big problem I had with the movie (at least the theatrical cut, I guess we’ll have to see how the ultimate one is) was that their is all this other stuff going on and setting up for future movies and it really leads to nothing and by the time the final battle or even by the time Batman and Superman fight for the first time it feels like their was no real lead up to it, the best thing about the movie id the final fight with Doomsday and by the time it comes around it should feel like the culmination of all these things but it fell flat for me because I felt it needed a stronger story structure/lead up to the finale fight Im not sire if anything could be done about the overall tone of the whole movie but it really did feel pretty bleak and depressing maybe brightening the picture and enhancing colors could help (make those suits shine lol)

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Smithers said:

I’d probably (using any deleted scenes possible to keep it as long as possible) make a streamlined wonder woman-less bullet conspiracy-less subplot-less version. The only subplot intact would be Doomsday.

I could not agree with this more!

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Smithers, how would you plan on doing Doomsday without wonder woman at the end? She plays a big part in the fight. Surely you would end up butchering the payoff of Doomsday, or having her show up with no story or reason behind her appearance?

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Why bother keeping Doomsday at all? He was the worst part of the movie (or at least responsible for it).

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Just watched it a second time. It’s pretty god awful. Batman stands out as one of the only shining positives. It’s one of the most awkwardly edited and paced movies Iv ever seen. Lex was awful. Eisenberg should have been cast as the riddler. The screenplay is incredibly cringy many times. The comedy almost never worked. Perry White made me cringe so much. Overall very dissapointing, don’t know how to salvage a good film out of it.

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K Iv been thinking about an idea for the actual BvS fight:

-we cut the scene where superman wrecks the batmobile.
-when Superman arrives to fight batman we use the “tell me do u bleed” exchange as shown in the first teaser. We cut the “u don’t understand” exchange and just have them walk up and superman pushes him. This means supermans previous tension with batman still plays a factor. In the Orignal it’s as if the sole reason is his mother is in danger. But here, he has the choice to recruit batman or kill him, so when he chooses to kill him it’s not just for his mother but his previous tension helps add to the reason why he’s fighting him. This might make the fight feel more two sided and not like just batman wanting to truly fight.

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I actually paid very close attention to the Doomsday fight and Wonder Woman could easily be cut out. She (in the end) makes no difference in the fight other than serving as a distraction. She is completely shoehorned in. If you cut Doomsday, the climax may be lacking and the death of superman would be cut out but you could get it working. I’m hoping for some better set up and exposition in the new cut.

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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My point (wasn’t clear, my fault) was that the Death of Superman is the worst thing about the entire movie. It’s insulting to waste that iconic story on the last few minutes of Snyder’s Abriged The Dark Knight Returns: Footnote To Justice League. It’s half-assed and unearned.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

My point (wasn’t clear, my fault) was that the Death of Superman is the worst thing about the entire movie. It’s insulting to waste that iconic story on the last few minutes of Snyder’s Abriged The Dark Knight Returns: Footnote To Justice League. It’s half-assed and unearned.

Agreed. Batman V Superman is like TPM. I tried to convince myself I liked it until I realized I truly thought on the inside it was terrible.

I really wanted to enjoy Batman V Superman but all I found redeemable was Ben Affleck as Batman. Even the actual BvS fight was a bit slow and dissapointing.

And the fact they wasted supermans death drove me crazy! They should have not crammed four different movies into one.

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darthrush said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

My point (wasn’t clear, my fault) was that the Death of Superman is the worst thing about the entire movie. It’s insulting to waste that iconic story on the last few minutes of Snyder’s Abriged The Dark Knight Returns: Footnote To Justice League. It’s half-assed and unearned.

Agreed. Batman V Superman is like TPM. I tried to convince myself I liked it until I realized I truly thought on the inside it was terrible.

BvS fascinates me. It isn’t good at all, I constantly complain about it, and yet I still can’t really make myself hate it. I want to like it because this is the kind of movie we’re gonna get for the next several years or more. I keep reading articles and posts by Snyder fans trying to convince people that it’s genius, hoping that they’ll convince me simply because I don’t want to feel so upset and disappointed for the next decade or so. They never do though, they’re arguments are as shallow as the movie is (and pretends it isn’t), and I always end up more frustrated than before.

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I wanted this “Lex” to die so badly. I was initially against Bat-Branding, but by the end I was hoping Bats would brand his face. I would actually quite appreciate a hypothetical edit that actually ends with Lex’s face branded.

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Jp4195 said:

well with the 2 hour R-rated Ultimate Cut coming out on July 19th… <snip>

Oh cool, the Ultimate Cut will be shorter than the theatrical.

Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.

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So the extended cut is a technically better film, but Superman is still a sadistic idiot. I’ll likely pass.

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I actually have seen this movie multiple times and honestly love it more with each viewing. (Enjoyed it way more than that Civil War crap. I was so bored during that movie) I’ll agree with the editing, I hear the Ultimate Edition gives the movie and a lot of the scenes more time to breathe. I’d happily watch a fan edit of the ending with the Batman/Lex Prison scene altered for after the credits. Other than that, I really have no complaints about this movie. I respect your opinions, so don’t attack me for mine. I’ll keep my eye out for a fan edit in the future. I’d love to see someone else’s take on this movie.

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I have already begun editing the Ultimate Edition (purchased the digital version), so far I have removed “do you bleed?”, ended the movie with Doomsday getting nuked and Superman being revived by the sun, held back Bruce’s first apperance until 23 minutes into the movie, and minimized Diana’s role.

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That’s not a bad idea. I also would be interested in seeing a “no kill” version of the movie, where nothing is changed except that Batman doesn’t kill anyone. Personally, I think that this movie (even the ultimate cut which is significantly better) has some major issues, but right now I can’t think of a way to edit around them that doesn’t feel forced or create other problems.

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Octorox said:

That’s not a bad idea. I also would be interested in seeing a “no kill” version of the movie, where nothing is changed except that Batman doesn’t kill anyone. Personally, I think that this movie (even the ultimate cut which is significantly better) has some major issues, but right now I can’t think of a way to edit around them that doesn’t feel forced or create other problems.

Indeed. I disliked the theatrical cut but thought the ultimate edition was a night and day difference similar to Jon Schnepp from Collider. Having a no kill batman wouldn’t be too hard.

I’d like to show my younger brother the improvements of the ultimate cut so a PG13 is a nice project for me to do. Besides replacing action scenes and losing the F Bombs, do you think any other content could be cut for censorship? Burned bodies? Lady pushed in front of train? Idk, kinda reaching here to make sure is not too harsh for my younger brother. My mom won’t allow him to see R Rated yet, so this has to convincely feel like PG13.

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I think one of the big things I would want to have in an edit of the film would be to lose all of the Batman nightmare sequences. The movie would still be too dark and gloomy but I think that would help it flow considerably better.

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Saw the Ultimate Cut and still very much have grievances.

I’ve been tinkering with the already-released digital version and come up with TWO(!) slightly different edits. I didn’t want to change the film too much, as I wanted an edit that would still make sense with future movies (hence no, lopping off endings or leaving out too many subplots). To those hoping for a more radical change, both of these are, for better or worse, still Zack Snyder’s Batman v Superman. They are merely given another editing pass for clarity and cohesion.

Both of my edits are built on two chief premises:

  • Restructure the film (primarily in the first half) for better plot progression. As many here and elsewhere have complained, the movie, even in its Ultimate Cut iteration, feels quite disjointed and occasionally overwhelming, cutting between different characters that have not previously been established. By far the biggest change is pushing back the Africa sequences. The events of the last film are now the inciting incident and Africa serves as a so-called point of no return. Furthermore, now, we have an inkling that Lex Luthor is manipulating things behind the scenes already.

  • Omit certain sections in their entirety, including the Knightmare sequence, the future Flash cameo, and the murderous Batmobile chase. In cutting these, it helps bring back the notion of a Batman, who has become cruel but not outright homicidal. From interviews with Zack Snyder, it seems that an outright murderous Batman was not quite his intention.

The differences between my two edits (each running about 2 and a half hours) are as follows:

  1. Batman v. Superman - The Final Cut - the less radical of the two edits. This mainly focuses on the two goals above. Like the release cuts (theatrical and ultimate), Batman seems to be the de-facto protagonist, if there indeed is one. This was my first version, but, in my mind, it had one major issue that caused me to create the second version.

  2. Man of Tomorrow - this helps refocus the movie into an outright Man of Steel sequel. The only two storylines tracked in the first act are Superman (the clear protagonist) and Lex Luthor. Nonetheless, Batman’s spectre is felt. In a classic ploy to draw audience attention to a certain character (From Russia with Love/The Third Man), we keep hearing about Batman, but we don’t get to meet him until 23 minutes into the movie. This remedies my issue of how the released film efficiently set up Batman’s motivation, only to perplex audiences by seemingly ignoring the motivation and having Batman look for a “dirty bomb.”

If anyone’s interested in testing them and owns a copy, PM me. I definitely would like opinions on which of the two cuts work better. I’ll recreate the “winner” in full Blu-Ray when that release comes out.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

Saw the Ultimate Cut and still very much have grievances.

I’ve been tinkering with the already-released digital version and come up with TWO(!) slightly different edits. I didn’t want to change the film too much, as I wanted an edit that would still make sense with future movies (hence no, lopping off endings or leaving out too many subplots). To those hoping for a more radical change, both of these are, for better or worse, still Zack Snyder’s Batman v Superman. They are merely given another editing pass for clarity and cohesion.

Both of my edits are built on two chief premises:

  • Restructure the film (primarily in the first half) for better plot progression. As many here and elsewhere have complained, the movie, even in its Ultimate Cut iteration, feels quite disjointed and occasionally overwhelming, cutting between different characters that have not previously been established. By far the biggest change is pushing back the Africa sequences. The events of the last film are now the inciting incident and Africa serves as a so-called point of no return. Furthermore, now, we have an inkling that Lex Luthor is manipulating things behind the scenes already.

  • Omit certain sections in their entirety, including the Knightmare sequence, the future Flash cameo, and the murderous Batmobile chase. In cutting these, it helps bring back the notion of a Batman, who has become cruel but not outright homicidal. From interviews with Zack Snyder, it seems that an outright murderous Batman was not quite his intention.

The differences between my two edits (each running about 2 and a half hours) are as follows:

  1. Batman v. Superman - The Final Cut - the less radical of the two edits. This mainly focuses on the two goals above. Like the release cuts (theatrical and ultimate), Batman seems to be the de-facto protagonist, if there indeed is one. This was my first version, but, in my mind, it had one major issue that caused me to create the second version.

  2. Man of Tomorrow - this helps refocus the movie into an outright Man of Steel sequel. The only two storylines tracked in the first act are Superman (the clear protagonist) and Lex Luthor. Nonetheless, Batman’s spectre is felt. In a classic ploy to draw audience attention to a certain character (From Russia with Love/The Third Man), we keep hearing about Batman, but we don’t get to meet him until 23 minutes into the movie. This remedies my issue of how the released film efficiently set up Batman’s motivation, only to perplex audiences by seemingly ignoring the motivation and having Batman look for a “dirty bomb.”

If anyone’s interested in testing them and owns a copy, PM me. I definitely would like opinions on which of the two cuts work better. I’ll recreate the “winner” in full Blu-Ray when that release comes out.

I’d be very interested in looking at the less radical version! 😃

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