I have heard first-hand from a die-hard fan that on opening day, there was a grappling hook missed scene and williams’ score was looped in and around that area.
I have heard first-hand from a die-hard fan of NASA that the moon landings were faked.
I have heard first-hand from a die-hard fan that on opening day, there was a grappling hook missed scene and williams’ score was looped in and around that area.
Williams’ score was looped? That just proves it is inaccurate. That event was in the draft of the script that Alan Dean Foster was given to write the book from. It had been removed from the script before shooting. It was never filmed that way. Knowing that it was in the book (which many people read before seeing the movie seeing that it had been out for many months at that point) and the way that scene is edited could lead some (like myself) to misremember that they actually saw it. And it would be interesting to hear how it would be possible for that scene to exist on both opening day and late summer (When I saw it first - my first of 10 viewings of the original film) and for it not to appear in any of the 35 mm prints that exist. I haven’t counted, but there are at least 10 floating around and at least one of those was recut with the 1981 crawl and flyover.
I am not saying what is and isn’t true, but isn’t it odd that we are more suspicious of many people who remember the grappling hook scene than of the man who was PROVEN to have altered TPM right after its release, who puts changes into each home video release, who purportedly isn’t happy with anything until the very last minute (who put changes into the 35mm release of ESB, PROVEN).
-TM
Yes, Lucas loves to tinker, but there is no evidence of him tinkering at that stage. Once 20th Century Fox had their interpositives, they were in control of things. They evidently didn’t even strike new masters for the 1981 rerelease as they seem to have just tacked on the new crawl segment to the prints. And I think at some point Lucas became too busy promoting the movie and making merchandising contracts to do any tinkering.
And one of the key things about this is the music. Any of the above mentioned remembered scenes would mean it was added back after the music was recorded. Seems a silly thing to do. Because the recording session for the soundtrack are pretty well documented and independent of Lucas. Nothing was recorded for those sections. Nothing for Toche Station, nothing for Jabba. To me that indicates all these things were cut long before Williams came in and that just confirms to me that they were never in any released version of the film.
Maybe it didn’t happen, but people are discrediting what are now many, many people who remember this scene rather than suspecting…the master tinkerer GL who is recorded as having altered both ESB and TPM very soon after release.
Jar-Jar is the Emperor in the extra special edition of ROTJ (scenes 1, 3, and then 6 to the end).
Not being alive at the time, I can neither confirm nor deconfirm😉
Jar-Jar is the Emperor in the extra special edition of ROTJ (scenes 1, 3, and then 6 to the end).
Maybe it didn’t happen, but people are discrediting what are now many, many people who remember this scene rather than suspecting…
Many, many people misremember many, many things.
Maybe it didn’t happen, but people are discrediting what are now many, many people who remember this scene rather than suspecting…the master tinkerer GL who is recorded as having altered both ESB and TPM very soon after release.
GL tinkered with TESB between the 70 mm interpositives and the 35 mm interpositives. Likely they needed the 70 mm before he was truly done with the film and he had some additional time to fine tune (like virtually all movies go through before release). There is no evidence he touched either version after it was in release. And what edits to TPM are you speaking of? I’m aware of some edits to ATOC between the 35 mm distribution and the digital distribution (the digital one is basicly the DVD).
No, the evidence for the missing grappling hook miss shows that it was cut before filming (positively before editing or when Williams recorded the score). What got filmed is in the published script and that event isn’t in that script. It is in the novel. I’m one who vividly remembers that scene, but I have been forced to admit that it never happened. I also vividly remember scenes from a great many books I’ve read that have never been filmed. The human mind is great at taking the words of a story and making a picture in our mind. Much more easy when we have a film to draw from.
When GL tinkers, he usually leaves some evidence behind. There is none. I looked long and hard before I came to the conclusion that I remembered Luke missing because I had read the book enough times. What I remember seeing is just my imagination putting pictures to the words of the book. It was never filmed, edited, scored, or released in the theaters that way.
We don’t even know if it was Lucas who tampered with the films during those days.
GL tinkered with TESB between the 70 mm interpositives and the 35 mm interpositives. Likely they needed the 70 mm before he was truly done with the film and he had some additional time to fine tune (like virtually all movies go through before release). There is no evidence he touched either version after it was in release. And what edits to TPM are you speaking of? I’m aware of some edits to ATOC between the 35 mm distribution and the digital distribution (the digital one is basicly the DVD).
TPM used to feature a shot of Maul tumbling down the reactor shaft in one piece. It was quickly swapped out with a shot of two pieces to indicate he was dead.
I didn’t even remember the edits to AOTC but as you said, that was not a change midstream but changes that corresponded to the format of release.
I’m just saying it wouldn’t have been out of character if something like the grappling hook scene was inserted for opening day and then taken out, that’s all I’m saying. The man has a history. But maybe Star Wars escaped last-minute changes except for the various audio mixes.
Jar-Jar is the Emperor in the extra special edition of ROTJ (scenes 1, 3, and then 6 to the end).
GL tinkered with TESB between the 70 mm interpositives and the 35 mm interpositives. Likely they needed the 70 mm before he was truly done with the film and he had some additional time to fine tune (like virtually all movies go through before release). There is no evidence he touched either version after it was in release. And what edits to TPM are you speaking of? I’m aware of some edits to ATOC between the 35 mm distribution and the digital distribution (the digital one is basicly the DVD).
TPM used to feature a shot of Maul tumbling down the reactor shaft in one piece. It was quickly swapped out with a shot of two pieces to indicate he was dead.
Not that that made any difference to his resurrection.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
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We don’t even know if it was Lucas who tampered with the films during those days.
it was me.
/sillyness
i first saw the 97SE in theaters, and even i think i remember a missed grappling hook. funny huh.
Was watching ESB last night, and recalled that I once thought there was a scene where Yoda used the Force to make a little bit of land Artoo was standing on move out into the swamp, much to the droid’s dismay. What could have inspired such a memory, I have no idea.
Where were you in '77?
“Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.”
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
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Yeah, I thought it was Garth Vader for a while back in summer '77. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Quoting the prequels, one demerit.
Recognizing the quote…one demerit. 😦
Quoting the prequels, one demerit.
Recognizing the quote…one demerit. 😦
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Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
Quoting the prequels, one demerit.
Recognizing the quote…one demerit. 😦
That’s probably the best Yoda quote in the prequels though. I had mercifully forgotten some of the clunkers you’ve cut from AOTC for your edit.
Where were you in '77?
“Recalibration”
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
I can claim on this anonymous website that I’m actually a sentient computer running for president, but that doesn’t make it reality.
Hmm well yes I guess you could indeed claim sentinence, but it doesn’t make it true.
Many, many people misremember many, many things.
You sure you aren’t just misunderestimating?
OK, I’ve done a good bit more poking around the web including Usenet from 1983-84. A few of us old farts are remembering the same thing. Problem is, its very few. Nothing from a lot of sources I would expect to have said something if they had found any evidence. Such as restoration efforts I just learned about (Harmy and Negative1). Oh well it was 4 decades ago what can I say.
BTW, whats so wrong about the prequels? Oh wait - Jar Jar Binks, never mind.
I can claim on this anonymous website that I’m actually a sentient computer running for president, but that doesn’t make it reality.
Hmm well yes I guess you could indeed claim sentinence, but it doesn’t make it true.
If you’re going to try and insult my intelligence, you could at least spell all your words correctly.
I can claim on this anonymous website that I’m actually a sentient computer running for president, but that doesn’t make it reality.
Hmm well yes I guess you could indeed claim sentinence, but it doesn’t make it true.
If you’re going to try and insult my intelligence, you could at least spell all your words correctly.
Chill, its a joke.
I can claim on this anonymous website that I’m actually a sentient computer running for president, but that doesn’t make it reality.
Hmm well yes I guess you could indeed claim sentinence, but it doesn’t make it true.
If you’re going to try and insult my intelligence, you could at least spell all your words correctly.
Chill, its a joke.
Missing apostrophe.
Okay, so youre the forum grammar patrol. Duly noted.
Chill, it’s a joke.
Chill, it’s a joke.
Ha ha. No we arent getting silly at all, are we.
Back to the topic, I personally don’t have any memory about Luke and two throws or Biggs on Tatooine, just the jabba tatooine scene got stuck in my head. Looking at them on youtube again now, both the human and the slug one are imho really bad and don’t fit well in the movie. Lucas should have left it edited out, imo.
BTW, finding out about Harmy and the other restorations floating around, they sound interesting to see. Although I would most like to see the original trilogy again on the big screen, with new prints. I’d pay money to see them again although I reckon most all theatres are digital by now. I’d bet another trilogy showing would still make money though.
I wrote it so many times in this forum, but I clearly remember:
Were these scenes in the movie? I used to grow up with different high generation bootleg copies of different European prints, so originally I thought that maybe some European country has received a different cut or something like that, but they still can be only a part of my imagination. Why? Because I have absolutely no proof that they existed.
So yes, maybe the memory can play tricks on you. You can’t be 100% sure about anything what happened 4 decades ago unless you have a thing which can be considered a PROOF.