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Is there anything that you actually like about the prequels? — Page 4

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Lord Haseo said:

Dek Rollins said:

The other duels were even further away than Obi-Wan’s lightsaber was from Maul.

Especially the awful Yoda vs Dooku duel. I wish he had made a video about that one too.

That duel doesn’t need a comedy video. The actual scene is already a comedy.

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I’m glad that I’ve liberated so many people from thinking that fight scene was good.

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Frink’s version is my personal canon now. 😉

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yotsuya said:
I went back and reread the definitions you provided and that is EXACTLY how I would describe both those scenes. Both critical to the story and in both places it jerks me out of the movie, disrupts the flow of the story, and both are logical inconsistent. That makes them plot holes. And by those definitions, my personal perspective is inherent to whether I consider it a plot hole or not. Your opinion as to whether it is a plot hole or not is irrelevant to whether or not it fits the definition in my viewing experience. It matters to you and your viewing experience, but not mine.

There is nothing about Rey and Finn managing to evade the one Star Destroyer in orbit around Jakku that is inherently impossible or inconsistent with the way the Star Wars universe works. Nor is Han conveniently being close enough to pick them up as soon as he did. Heck, with how this franchise has worked before, you could easily just chalk both those up to being “the will of the Force” or something. And when it comes to the gang seeing the destruction of the Republic system… Technically speaking, that is a plot-hole in that it blatantly breaks the laws of physics, but it’s clearly done for dramatic effect; Would that scene really have the same impact if someone just walked by and said “Guys! The First Order just blew up a star system!!”? (Putting aside the matter of me literally never having seen a single person who genuinely cared about the destruction of those planets…) I mean both that and what the movie itself did would have served the same purpose in the narrative, but one makes the scene more dramatic.

No, you want a legit plot-hole? Leia remembering her mother. That is blatantly impossible considering how Revenge of the Sith showed us that she died immediately after she was born. The “plot-holes” you’re complaining about are more on the level of saying that Luke’s plan to free Han from Jabba was really convoluted and stupid and claiming that that’s a plot-hole.

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Lord Starfish said:

yotsuya said:
I went back and reread the definitions you provided and that is EXACTLY how I would describe both those scenes. Both critical to the story and in both places it jerks me out of the movie, disrupts the flow of the story, and both are logical inconsistent. That makes them plot holes. And by those definitions, my personal perspective is inherent to whether I consider it a plot hole or not. Your opinion as to whether it is a plot hole or not is irrelevant to whether or not it fits the definition in my viewing experience. It matters to you and your viewing experience, but not mine.

There is nothing about Rey and Finn managing to evade the one Star Destroyer in orbit around Jakku that is inherently impossible or inconsistent with the way the Star Wars universe works. Nor is Han conveniently being close enough to pick them up as soon as he did. Heck, with how this franchise has worked before, you could easily just chalk both those up to being “the will of the Force” or something. And when it comes to the gang seeing the destruction of the Republic system… Technically speaking, that is a plot-hole in that it blatantly breaks the laws of physics, but it’s clearly done for dramatic effect; Would that scene really have the same impact if someone just walked by and said “Guys! The First Order just blew up a star system!!”? (Putting aside the matter of me literally never having seen a single person who genuinely cared about the destruction of those planets…) I mean both that and what the movie itself did would have served the same purpose in the narrative, but one makes the scene more dramatic.

No, you want a legit plot-hole? Leia remembering her mother. That is blatantly impossible considering how Revenge of the Sith showed us that she died immediately after she was born. The “plot-holes” you’re complaining about are more on the level of saying that Luke’s plan to free Han from Jabba was really convoluted and stupid and claiming that that’s a plot-hole.

^ this

Also God speed you wonderful badtard. This guy’s will is stronger than Mandalorian Armor

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I just don’t get how you’re going to nitpick something as trivial as being able to evade a star destroyer when there are plenty of examples of far more dubious strokes of luck, less likely coincidences, and outright plot holes in both the original and prequel trilogies that can only be explained away as “the will of the force.” Cherry picking much?

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Lord Starfish said:

…you want a legit plot-hole? Leia remembering her mother. That is blatantly impossible considering how Revenge of the Sith showed us that she died immediately after she was born.

Padme dying immediately after leia’s birth is the actual plot whole here. Not the other way around.

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Whoa guys, stop with the logical arguments. He’s got writer friends, you know.

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What do I like …

All 3 movies - the score
Episode 1 - I honestly can’t remember anything I would like other than the score
Episode 2 - the factory scene, the arena scene before the other Jedi arrive
Episode 3 - the scene when Anakin got burned alive had some really impressive makeup work

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Lord Starfish said:

Heck, with how this franchise has worked before, you could easily just chalk both those up to being “the will of the Force” or something.

This is one of the biggest frustrations I have with people’s complaints about TFA. In a vacuum, you can justify some of those complaints…but to willfully ignore the same issues in the other six movies is just wrong. That’s why a lot of this “it’s a subjective opinion that you can’t challenge me on” stuff is nonsense.

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Ronster said:

Ships Taking off and Landing

That’s one of the worst parts, actually. I read a review once that referred to the PT as “landing strut movies.”

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I liked when the credits started rolling

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TV’s Frink said:

Ronster said:

Ships Taking off and Landing

That’s one of the worst parts, actually. I read a review once that referred to the PT as “landing strut movies.”

I know a lot of people are critical of that aspect of the PT but it is the only way that the PT really beat the OT.

The OT due to technical limits at the time it was filmed would try to get around the problem of not having to show scenes like this as it was too difficult or complicated to do so where as the PT would just show it without worry as it was then possible and manageable.

And the PT made it look good for these instances compared to the OT would look quite Bad or limited by the technology available.

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It’s not about how it looks but how often it occurs. Every single time we have to see the ship takeoff or land. We get it, George, we don’t have to see it.

Not to mention R2 popping out of the ship (twice!) in ROTS, which is just stupid.

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I was so focused on the movies themselves I forgot about the music. I think the original 77 score is one of the best followed by Empire (almost a tie), then Jedi, then Phantom Menace. Clones has some good moment. Sith has too much going on and so does TFA. No good solid musical themes in either of them. The best part about both soundtracks are the two themes that aren’t actually in the movies in their entirety - the expanded Throne Room theme and Rey’s theme. I love the Phantom Menace soundtrack, but since then they have gotten too busy and a lot less based on major themes. Not that the music is bad, it just is more in the background. I’d have to say Sith’s soundtrack is the least memorable so far. TFA is saved by Rey’s theme and the reuse of Han Solo and the Princess from Empire.

Another thing I really enjoyed were the lightsaber duels. I’d have to agree that the three way duel with Darth Maul was the best. The Obi-wan/Anakin duel in Sith was good, but even though the moves were cool, their duel in ANH was better - much better dialog even if the moves were less energetic. I liked the Obi-wan/Anakin/Dooku duel as well. And while I think Yoda’s fighting style was fantastic in many ways, it didn’t really fit with his character (though it does make sense with his size). The best part of the Yoda/Dooku duel was how Yoda handled the force lightning before he drew his saber and how he handled the falling pillar after his put his saber away. Same with his duel with Sidious - the best part was before and after the lightsabers. I wasn’t impressed by much of the other lightsaber work. It became too common in ATOC.

Oh, and Naboo. I love the design of Naboo. The architecture they created (while based on real Italian buildings) went a step further. I also liked the building design on Coruscant. Very art deco. I also like the Geonosians and their arena. I think the banking clan is the worst character design in Star Wars - worse than any of the inane designs that got pushed to the background or cut from ANH. They fixed them a bit in Clone Wars and that revision is tolerable.

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Every single frame with Yoda using a lightsaber is awful*. Even putting aside what it does to his character, and to paraphrase someone else who said this previously, shoving a firecracker up his ass and lighting it does not make it remotely passable, let alone “fantastic.” It makes it wretched.

Oh and the force duel between Yoda and Dooku is really bad due to poor CGI alone.

*Except for (maybe) when he uses it on the Wookiee planet. But still.

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“I just assume that the force is giving them a few seconds of pre-cognition. Allowing them to know where the opponent will not be. Forcing them to do things ahead of time of fight defensively and hit the other person’s saber.”
“One of the dumbest videos ever! All fights in movies are like this. I feel sorry for you.”
“you know what else had sucky lightsaber fights? A New Hope”

The first comment is the funniest. The criticism of ANH’s duel is totally bonkers to me. Aside from that unnecessary spin Obi-Wan makes, it looks fairly realistic. So when and why did this “The first duel is so poorly choreographed” schtick began?

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IsanRido said:
The first comment is the funniest. The criticism of ANH’s duel is totally bonkers to me. Aside from that unnecessary spin Obi-Wan makes, it looks fairly realistic. So when and why did this “The first duel is so poorly choreographed” schtick began?

Probably the day of. I mean they’re actually sword fighting but there’s something about that fight that I can’t stand. Maybe it’s the repetitive moves, maybe it’s the spin or maybe it’s the fact that Vader should rip through Obi-Wan’s guard in like 3 seconds.

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IsanRido said:

The criticism of ANH’s duel is totally bonkers to me. Aside from that unnecessary spin Obi-Wan makes, it looks fairly realistic. So when and why did this “The first duel is so poorly choreographed” schtick began?

People who know nothing about actual swordplay don’t like it because it’s a boring scene with two old men hitting sticks together, and the spin is their main excuse to claim the whole scene sucks.

For the record, I actually like the spin. It may be the only part of the scene that doesn’t make sense from the standpoint of real swordplay, but I feel that it shows how old and out of practice he was. Like, in his younger days he may have grown a habit of having a bit of fun while fighting (“I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick” 😉).

Lord Haseo said:

…maybe it’s the fact that Vader should rip through Obi-Wan’s guard in like 3 seconds.

I wouldn’t call that a fact. Plus, that wasn’t the point of the fight or the scene.

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THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.