The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread — Page 50

It's already been established that places and people are more strong in the Force than others.

So you could see it as his home stone taping some of his essence making it easier for his ghost to manifest.

In ANH we don't see Ben's ghost at all, in ESB we see him very briefly, most of the time it's still his voice, in this film Ben's ghost walks through the swamp, sits down on a log and has a nice long chin wag.

You could put that down to Luke becoming a more powerful Force user or you could say that it's a mixture of Luke being stronger in the Force and the place he is manifesting in being linked to him.

The original intension seems to be that Ben and Yoda could literally come back to life when the time is right and as Luke had jumped the gun, facing Vader too soon on Bespin the time was not right for Ben and Yoda to show their hand.

I'm glad they didn't go down that route in the end but as far as Vader is concerned Ben was Luke's teacher and now that he is dead that the end of his formal training.

If Vader was aware of Ben or Yoda's interference that would have seriously limited their chances to activate plan B if something went wrong with Luke.

If Ben's ghost was moved to his house it would still have to be more subtle a scene than it is in current version as his hut isn't long enough to allow for him to stroll up to Luke which would mean returning to a mixture of voice only and ghostly manifestation but at least you get the sense of bookending resonance.

When Luke first entered that room he knew nothing about the Force or his father, when he leaves it this time he is a fully trained Jedi Knight and has the full story about his father and his sister.

In both cases he is on the road to rescue a Princess with two droids but now without the need of a teacher.

The returning to Yoda has already happened, he did it straight after getting better to prepare for rescuing Han as a fully trained Jedi.

Yoda lived long enough to finish his task.

Han is on Tatooine so having Ben deliver his lines on Tatooine makes sense, he is showing Luke that there is even more at stake saving Leia from herself than just saving his friends.

In the wrong hands Leia could be just as much a threat as Vader (or potentially Luke).

MTHaslett said:

  This movie would have rocked if we learned Vader lied, that Vader actually killed Luke's dad and that now Luke wants to hunt down and kill the old bastard.  That would be a stronger way to see Luke turn away from the Dark Side. So as long as we're wishing, I wish for that. :-)

That would have been cool.  Imagine Anakin appearing to Luke on Degobah instead of Ben and revealing the truth about Vader.

What if there was a major twist and it turned out Ben WAS Anakin? haha

Again, trying to wake up old friends...

I have not read the entire thread. I have only read the first three pages. I have a few thoughts:

1. Very few individuals watch the prequel trilogy first, so editing the greatest revelation in the original trilogy (“No, I am your father”) is illogical. Presumably, anyone who wishes to watch the Star Wars film series will begin with the original trilogy and then watch the prequels.

2. Even if the audience is aware that Darth Vader is the father of Luke Skywalker, the revelation still works as an example of dramatic irony and as a profound revelation to Luke.

3. Obi-Wan lied to Luke, but that is not inconsistent with Obi-Wan’s character. Even exceptionally moral individuals may tell a lie if there is an exceptionally compelling reason to do so. If Luke had known that Darth Vader was his father from the beginning, the temptation to join the dark side or to confront his father immediately would have been too strong.

4. The suggested dialogue edit in from “Your father wanted you to have this” to “I wanted you to have this” is sheer brilliance and would resolve a plot inconsistency with the prequels.

5. I would also suggest cutting Obi-Wan’s line, “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid.”

6. Another quick edit: change Leia’s dialogue in A New Hope from “You served my father in the Clone Wars” to “You served WITH my father in the Clone Wars.”

7. No flashbacks to the prequels in the Original Trilogy.

Most people here will watch the films in the order made but there will be some younger viewers or general newbies who will go chronologically.

Episode 1 is called Episode 1 not Episode -3 so in my book the PT should work both ways, as a film trilogy you watch after the originals to see some of the back story and as the first three episodes which do not spoil the next three.

My preferred option is for Obi-Wan to say “Your Mother wanted you to have this” which suggests that Owen knew Luke’s mother and then later change Vader’s line in ROTJ to “Your Mother once felt as you do”.
This would bring a very important female albeit by reference only to an OT that is sadly lacking in many.

Bingowings said:

Most people here will watch the films in the order made but there will be some younger viewers or general newbies who will go chronologically.

Episode 1 is called Episode 1 not Episode -3 so in my book the PT should work both ways, as a film trilogy you watch after the originals to see some of the back story and as the first three episodes which do not spoil the next three.

The problem is that it is impossible for the prequel trilogy to work both ways. It is impossible to have your cake and eat it too. If you watch the prequels as back story after watching the original trilogy, you would want to see a story explaining how Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader. If you watch the prequels as the first three episodes, you would want for the revelation that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader to remain secret until the revelation in Episode V. It is logically impossible for the prequels to both explain Anakin’s transformation into Darth Vader and keep it a secret at the same time.

Do you ever respond to posts less than three months old?

How old is the thread? If less than three years, he may not be interested.