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The Force Awakens : Fan Edit Ideas — Page 25

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I also played around with the idea that R2 doesn’t have the map at all, and instead they get the larger piece from Captain Phasma at the same time they get her to lower the shields. You could also have Kylo tell Poe they have the rest of the map when he is interrogating him at the beginning of the movie. Although it would require more work to change that fact. But I think just adding a little hint of him waking up in the first scene could help make his awakening and possession of the map feel less out of nowhere, but I don’t even know if it is worth the effort. Extra expositional lines from 3PO could’ve been useful.

Maybe Luke will be Mr. Exposition and explain all this whole situation in Episode VIII, but for now R2 waking up at the perfect time without much explanation seems more like poor writing that has to be clarified later. I also thought that Luke magically woke up R2 because Rey showed up, or that R2 sensed Rey’s presence. But if Rey doesn’t turn out to be this special person then it will all just seem convenient for the plot. Without the trilogy over it is hard to say how much big edits could contradict the sequels, but for me, the one big change that is less likely to affect future movies but also have the biggest difference has to be moving Hosnian Prime’s destruction to the climax. Maybe after seeing 8 (and maybe 9), we’ll have a better understanding of what is and isn’t worth changing when it comes to this type of edit.

I don’t know if it could replace the original for me, I would like to see a version of the film that leaves the father/son reveal until the bridge scene just to see how different it would be. It’ll be interesting to see what different versions pop up.

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i have also played around with trying to make the whole r2 scene less…odd i guess is the best word to describe it. my thoughts on it is that we dont see r2 until the very end. in my version SKB destroys the New Republic after Han dies as we all here have discussed. then when everyone is at their low point, bb8 rolls up to r2. 3p0 gives his speech about him being in low power mode and they both roll/walk away. then r2 comes alive.

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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I think he meant during the resolution, when they return from the battle. Maybe I’m wrong but if that’s the case I see why you saw it that way, Hal.

Here is a short clip that cuts Poe’s dialogue about Hosnian Prime when Finn meets Leia.
https://vimeo.com/167980480

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RogueLeader said:

I think he meant during the resolution, when they return from the battle. Maybe I’m wrong but if that’s the case I see why you saw it that way, Hal.

Here is a short clip that cuts Poe’s dialogue about Hosnian Prime when Finn meets Leia.
https://vimeo.com/167980480

this is perfect

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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Thanks for the compliment Jack!

Yours is terrific as well. I wasn’t expecting anyone to do the fx so quickly! You probably should wait until you hear from Hal, but do you mind if I give my opinion?

I know that the TIEs and transports are flying overheard when Rey sees them, but I imagine that they flew low and are heading toward Maz’s castle, since Rey has ran a distance away from it herself. So by having then fly the same way over Maz’s head, it doesn’t seem like they’re flying toward the castle.

My suggestion would be to have them instead flying downwards from out of the Star Destroyer (which also looks perfect btw). In this scenario they would be much smaller, like a swarm of specs flying out of the Star Destroyer toward them. Also, them being farther away would explain why the patrons aren’t running for their lives just yet.

But yeah, I’d wait for Hal’s and few other opinions but that would be my suggestion. Either way though it looks great to me! A lot better than what I could do!

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RogueLeader said:

Thanks for the compliment Jack!

Yours is terrific as well. I wasn’t expecting anyone to do the fx so quickly! You probably should wait until you hear from Hal, but do you mind if I give my opinion?

I know that the TIEs and transports are flying overheard when Rey sees them, but I imagine that they flew low and are heading toward Maz’s castle, since Rey has ran a distance away from it herself. So by having then fly the same way over Maz’s head, it doesn’t seem like they’re flying toward the castle.

My suggestion would be to have them instead flying downwards from out of the Star Destroyer (which also looks perfect btw). In this scenario they would be much smaller, like a swarm of specs flying out of the Star Destroyer toward them. Also, them being farther away would explain why the patrons aren’t running for their lives just yet.

But yeah, I’d wait for Hal’s and few other opinions but that would be my suggestion. Either way though it looks great to me! A lot better than what I could do!

i understand what you are saying. my thinking on it is that a descent from a star destroyer is similar to the way a plane descends. they have to sort of circle around before. but i guess thats not exactly how they came down at the beginning of the movie. I’ll work on it a bit more and try to put somthing out in the next week or so.

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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I guess it could go both ways. Well if you try it differently and it doesn’t work then I think your current version still works really well. It looks very believable already to me.

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RogueLeader, I had done the very same thing with the scene where Finn meets Leia, after concluding that mention of SKB would have to necessarily be removed. I agree this is the only way to handle the scene given our “Hosnian destruction post-Han death” goal.

Jack, I agree with RogueLeader about the logic behind seeing the TIEs coming in. I don’t think xxTelecine 7xx would mind if I posted his version of the Fx for that shot: https://youtu.be/2ic4AmaBZFE?t=8s
You can see the TIEs are coming in headlong from the distance, making logical sense to cut back to Rey, who has run far away, seeing them coming from overhead.

I think a good next step for that sequence would be to work on the audio side of things, finding suitable low-key music and foley. I looped some TIE sounds so it sounds like a distant swarm is coming, as I posted earlier.

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That is great! I had figured you had already done it. It was a very easy cut to do. We also need a good name for this “Hosnian destruction post-Han death” edit. Haha.

That looks really good. Telecine is very talented. Maybe a combination of the two, a happy medium, would be what we are looking for. Sort of like telecine’s, maybe they’re a little farther away, and then have the Star Destroyer in the distance like Jack’s?

Totally agree. I was thinking that “The Starkiller” track for that scene could be replaced with some part of the First Order suite, but like you said, something that is low-key. I’ll have to go back through the soundtrack, but you guys already might have better ideas than I have!

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I agree with you, the TIEs should come from the stardestroyer in the background and also be far away so that it makes sense for the patrons not to run away. I would actually make them even smaller in that first shot of Finn looking to the sky. I would even go as far and make them really tiny white spots coming from the Stardestroyer and then about as big as they are in Telecines version for the second shot when Han and the patrons look up. But there also need to be some transports and in Telecines version they seem too ordered, which kinda makes them fake-looking I guess. I don’t really know how to fix that but I think some more variety in their movement/position could help.

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Kexikus said:

I agree with you, the TIEs should come from the stardestroyer in the background and also be far away so that it makes sense for the patrons not to run away. I would actually make them even smaller in that first shot of Finn looking to the sky. I would even go as far and make them really tiny white spots coming from the Stardestroyer and then about as big as they are in Telecines version for the second shot when Han and the patrons look up. But there also need to be some transports and in Telecines version they seem too ordered, which kinda makes them fake-looking I guess. I don’t really know how to fix that but I think some more variety in their movement/position could help.

+1

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Absolutely, the TIEs need to be very distant to explain people gawking, as well as giving Han and Finn time to get to the basement before Maz exclaims, “They’re here!”

My stance on revising fan edits.

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darthrush said:

Kexikus said:

I agree with you, the TIEs should come from the stardestroyer in the background and also be far away so that it makes sense for the patrons not to run away. I would actually make them even smaller in that first shot of Finn looking to the sky. I would even go as far and make them really tiny white spots coming from the Stardestroyer and then about as big as they are in Telecines version for the second shot when Han and the patrons look up. But there also need to be some transports and in Telecines version they seem too ordered, which kinda makes them fake-looking I guess. I don’t really know how to fix that but I think some more variety in their movement/position could help.

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I am only following HAL’s 9000 direction. We went back and forth via PM of how to do this and his vision. My laptop can not handle element 3D very well where it was crashing AE and all of my compositions. So I was limited to using TIE cutouts from popular JPG files out on the internet. You can only manipulate a 2D image so much, so if I were to bring the TIE’s in any closer it would look Fake. Any ideas moving forth would be cool.

Hal I would recommend starting a new forum for this once you figure out a Title for your edit. This one is very old and General from way back when TFA was released last December.

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I like the idea of not seeing R2 at all until the very end of the movie. I’ll have to see how that works.
And I’m hesitant to start a new thread myself, lest I be pushed forward as the guy who is allegedly going to be seeing such a SKB restructure edit to completion. 😕

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xxtelecine 7xx said:

darthrush said:

Kexikus said:

I agree with you, the TIEs should come from the stardestroyer in the background and also be far away so that it makes sense for the patrons not to run away. I would actually make them even smaller in that first shot of Finn looking to the sky. I would even go as far and make them really tiny white spots coming from the Stardestroyer and then about as big as they are in Telecines version for the second shot when Han and the patrons look up. But there also need to be some transports and in Telecines version they seem too ordered, which kinda makes them fake-looking I guess. I don’t really know how to fix that but I think some more variety in their movement/position could help.

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I am only following HAL’s 9000 direction. We went back and forth via PM of how to do this and his vision. My laptop can not handle element 3D very well where it was crashing AE and all of my compositions. So I was limited to using TIE cutouts from popular JPG files out on the internet. You can only manipulate a 2D image so much, so if I were to bring the TIE’s in any closer it would look Fake. Any ideas moving forth would be cool.

Hal I would recommend starting a new forum for this once you figure out a Title for your edit. This one is very old and General from way back when TFA was released last December.

it is kind of slow going, especially since i just started learning for this little shot, but i have been using blender for the transports. i was able to find a few free models too that i have been using. if i can get it to look right, i am willing to assist in anyway with this edit. i too agree that Hal needs to just start a new thread for this. 😃

all in all, i think this is going to look great once it is completed and i think others would appreciate using some of the shots discussed here so far

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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I think the whole point of Starkiller Base was to set the grounds so that the Resistence and the First Order were on equal footing in terms of government for the remainder of the trilogy.
But this could easily have been done if they had just set up that following ROTJ, the galaxy was divided between the new republic and the remnants of the Empire. I’m not sure an edit could accomplish this, as it should have been done early in the conceptual stages of making the film, but if one could establish that Leia is leading the army of the New Republic and the First Order is the just the remnants of the Empire, controlling the other half of the galaxy, then one could cut out the Starkiller base entirely and make the end battle a fight to try and retrieve the other half of the map to Luke, which would be in the hands of the First Order by that point in the film.

More a rewrite than an edit idea, but the thought just came to me and I thought I would share.

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i wonder if there would be a way to insert the an edited version of the lines snoke says to kylo about sentiment and darth vader from the book. something like this:

It was neither poor strategy nor arrogance that brought down the Empire. You know too well what did.” Ren nodded once. “Sentiment.” “Such a simple thing. Had Lord Vader not succumbed to emotion, the Empire would have prevailed. And there would be no threat of Skywalker’s return today.

i found this guy on youtube who does an uncanny impression of snoke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoVOc7LreP4

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I actually was messing around with inserting that! It helps get more perspective on Kylo’s conflict. I trimmed it down a lot in order to not repeat the same shots too much, and I didn’t like his delivery on some of the lines. I’m worried it can’t be inserted without it being obvious, you know?

I at least considered the idea of making them having a longer conversation, especially if one were to remove the Han Solo reveal. It could go something like this:

Snoke: There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

Kylo: (“Yes.”, or, “I feel it too.”) The dark side.

Snoke: -and the Light.

Kylo: Supreme Leader, I’m immune to the light.

Snoke: Even you, master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test.

Kylo: By the grace of your training I will not be seduced

Snoke: We shall see. We shall see…

I got the dark side line from Lor San Tekka conversation. I feel it too could come from the Rey interrogation. Snoke, the Light line from the first teaser. I got the “I’m immune to the light” as a wav file the Kylo Ren action figure.

All of this isn’t really necessary, but this scene could provide something different from this scene, and not make it so short.