I made a video about "My Gripes with Star Wars: The Force Awakens". — Page 3

I didn’t put that much thought into it. It’s just an obvious observation and comparison.

EDIT: And as for the practicality of SW ships, I’ve never liked the Falcon’s layout/design either. The cockpit hanging off of one side always seemed like a major design flaw to me.

^I edited just as you posted 😄.

Dek Rollins said:

EDIT: And as for the practicality of SW ships, I’ve never liked the Falcon’s layout/design either. The cockpit hanging off of one side always seemed like a major design flaw to me.

Lord Haseo said:

Did it never cross your mind to think that maybe Rey built the speeder or that she got it as a gift or in a game of chance?

I acquired a pod in a game of chance. But that was over 15 years ago. 😉

Lord Haseo said:

I think as long as ships look cool and aren’t flying cubes it doesn’t matter much.

I take it you don’t like the Borg 😉.

Some of you are new(ish), therefore now is a good time to familiarize yourself with the rules.

http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Guidelines-for-Post-Content-and-General-Behavior-Or-How-Not-To-Get-Banned/id/12074

Any further bad behavior will be dealt with accordingly.

Dek Rollins said:

nickyd47 said:

Besides, these are new Tie Fighters. So for them to have certain design changes made by the First Order is kind of to be expected, I would think.

Well, I still stand by my turret complaint, because it feels like they’re developing backwards.

As in, early fighter planes were generally biplanes with two seats and a turret on the back (the second seat being for the gunner). This is comparable to the TIE in TFA.

Later, to solve certain problems as well as eliminate the need for two men in the plane, a new system was developed for the guns. Machine guns were placed in the front, facing forward, and a timing mechanism was created to allow the guns to fire between turns of the propeller. This is comparable to the original TIE design.

I was in that argument as well and I gave a clear explanation (from engineering and air combat perspective) why turret on a fighter (that comes with an additional seat) is stupid. However, I would say that is a minor thing compared to rehashing TIEs vs X-wings. By ROTJ we already see that new ship models were introduced by both sides. Either reverting back to TIEs/X-wings or no progress in 30 years (whichever you prefer) is simply dumb. Okay, you can call me “too demanding” if I want originality, but could things at least make sense? They simply wanted to rehash TIE vs X-wings because it is more iconic now.

Lord Haseo said:

There could have been a new fighter or two but it wouldn’t make sense to not see any TIE Fighters or X-Wings because it’s only been 30 years not 100.

Sorry but this argument is silly. Take a WW2 for example (on which Star Wars space combat was based on), completely new fighters/bombers came out almost every year. And in a war state, it doesn’t take 30 years to withdraw the obsolete models. In pacific theatre, when F4F Wildcat was introduced in 1941, F2A Buffalo was essentially completely replaced from the main units. Same happened to F4F when F6F Hellcat and F4U Corsair were introduced in 1943. Then less than 10 years later (even though war state ended), in Korean War you had completely different type of fighters (jet engines, swept-wing design, etc.).

Also there was never an explanation for why A-Wings suddenly popped up.

It doesn’t need an explanation, at least not to someone who is familiar with air combat history. Just take the F4U introduction that complemented F6F as an example. It added to diversity. Commanders had more choice, i.e. being able to use more specific tools for specific jobs.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:
Sorry but this argument is silly. Take a WW2 for example (on which Star Wars space combat was based on), completely new fighters/bombers came out almost every year. And in a war state, it doesn’t take 30 years to withdraw the obsolete models. In pacific theatre, when F4F Wildcat was introduced in 1941, F2A Buffalo was essentially completely replaced from the main units. Same happened to F4F when F6F Hellcat and F4U Corsair were introduced in 1943. Then less than 10 years later (even though war state ended), in Korean War you had completely different type of fighters (jet engines, swept-wing design, etc.).

Don’t we still use B2 Stealth Bombers and shit like that now a days?

One reason is the lack of equal opponent and prolonged state of peace. The other is obsoleteness of the role itself. Even better example of that is B-52 strategic bomber. With introduction of intercontinental ballistic missiles that could deliver nuclear strike faster and more reliably, the whole role became obsolete. Since then, these bombers has been essentially used to bomb poor countries with conventional bombs.

Anyway to me, “TIE vs X-wing” rehash is the most unforgivable of all TFA rehash elements. Even more than another death star, another masked villain, another desert planet with lead starting as a “peasant” with undiscovered force potential, good guys being in a weaker position again, etc.

imperialscum said:

Anyway to me, “TIE vs X-wing” rehash is the most unforgivable of all TFA rehash elements.

Despite most borrowed elements not bothering me this was something that I agree got on my nerves. And it wasn’t that they used X Wings and TIEs. It’s the fact that it’s ALL they used. So yes, good point but overall didn’t diminish the pure joy of seeing Poe kick some serious ass.

Even more than another death star, another masked villain,

Ok. Huge disagreement here. Not only is that already a picky thing to say but the mask serves as a unique way to visually show the inner mind of Kylo Ren. Vaders helmet was a sign of true hardship and power. Kylos was shown to the same until the critically important (and well done) interrogation scene when he takes it off. It shows that Kylo is insecure and his mask is put on out of his insecurity. The mask gives the story extremely new ideas and concepts to explore with new characters.

another desert planet

Eh. Could have used a different planet but they did it so well with her as a desert scavenger and living in an ATAT that I thought it displayed the difference in her and Lukes upbringing. But I see your point.

with lead starting as a “peasant” with undiscovered force potential,

This was awesome IMO. It definetly was needed IMO because the force had awakened after 10 years since a Star Wars movie was last released. And honest to god, someone had to get the force like this. We had Kylo. So are you fine with just that? No. Someone had to get the force.

good guys being in a weaker position again, etc.

Great point. I think books might help clarify why but I agree that the movie obviously shouldn’t require books to explain it. I think Episode 8 can fix this by mentioning the Republic past leading up to TFA. Good point.

Overall after reading mounds of posts between you and Haseo, Iv gotta say you have a good basis for most of your arguments. And it really depends on how you look at the film. I think Lucas directing with Kasdan writing and Kurtz producing would have given you a film you were looking for. But me and many others expected the “force to awaken” with a familiar beginning that served as a bridge between two trilogies that set up the groundwork for episodes 8 and 9 which can be more creative.

IMO the force awakens used similar beginnings to tell eventually (hopefully) new stories in 8 and 9. It gives you many of the same circumstances as Episode 4 and shows you how many new characters react differently than the old ones. These new characters then I think will guide us to a deeper trilogy story that shows how these characters are different than the old and how they will command the direction of the galaxy’s fate.

That’s how I look at TFA.
But again you make great points it’s just we were looking for different things except we can both agree Starkiller base was just taking it too far 😉

As we have enough TFA kvetching threads already. Take it there.
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/What-didnt-you-like-about-TFA-SPOILERS/id/47068
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