If George Lucas had made The Force Awakens, the dialogue and acting would have been much worse, but the plot would have been much more original and the world building would have been much more fleshed out.
If George Lucas had made The Force Awakens, the dialogue and acting would have been much worse, but the plot would have been much more original and the world building would have been much more fleshed out.
Exactly!
I actually agree too. But the plot would still probably rehash…oops I mean mirror things from the OT because poetry and craft a plot with interesting ideas that seems good in theory but makes no sense in execution. Also there would be boring characters with miscasted actors who won’t give their best performances because George is a shitty actor’s director. The special effects would be on par with TFA but there wouldn’t be as many real sets. Also there would probably be more things that ruin the mystique and continuity of the original trilogy (shit like midichlorians and having Padme die 2 seconds after child birth even though Leia remembers her) and wouldn’t even adhere to them.
I could come up with more but you get the point.
“That’s not how X works” has made it into my everyday conversations, and will feature heavily in the ROT.
Considering Han Solo was never trained as a Jedi (and neither was Leia), how exactly does he know how the Force does or does not work?
Excellent point! Which raises the further question of how I know the Force doesn’t work that way either, given I was never trained in it.
I mean really, this might be one of the silliest complaints I’ve ever heard about TFA, and that’s saying something.
I actually agree too. But the plot would still probably rehash…oops I mean mirror things from the OT because poetry and craft a plot with interesting ideas that seem good in theory but make no sense in execution. Also there would be boring characters with miscast actors who give their pest performances because George is a shitty actor’s director. The special effects would be on par with TFA but there wouldn’t be as many real sets. Also there would probably be more things that ruin the mystique and continuity of the original trilogy (shit like midichlorian and having Padme die 2 seconds after child birth even though Leia remembers her) and wouldn’t even adhere to them.
I could come up with more but you get the point.
Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”), I never understood the problem with midichlorians per se, even if Qui-Gon’s explanation of them is rather boring and mundane.
Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
In the Return of the Jedi special edition DVD, George Lucas should have edited “Do you remember your mother - your real mother?” to “Do you remember your mother?” to allow for the interpretative possibility that Leia was speaking of her adoptive mother.
(And George Lucas should have refrained from inserting Jedi Rocks or inserting Hayden Christensen as the ghost of Anakin Skywalker, but I digress.)
If George Lucas had created very detailed plot outlines but given the actual screenwriting and directing to others to accomplish, the results would have been epic.
The results would have been much more epic than The Force Awakens.
Personally, I was hoping to see new technology and the new Republic in the sequel trilogy. Given that J. J. Abrams left the Resistance with the same technology that the Rebel Alliance had thirty years ago and blew up the new Republic, I doubt that will ever happen.
One thing that was good about The Force Awakens is the reliance upon practical effects over CGI. I was never adverse to CGI for background scenery, clones, or battle droids, but when either Watto or Jar Jar Binks is in every frame of every scene on Tatooine, the result is very cartoonish and distracting.
The Falcon is in the prequels (twice?). It’s been around.
I must have missed it. Do you have photographic evidence?
It’s been said the Falcon is the ship seen in ROTS, (bottom pic) but as there are three such freighters seen in AOTC, they may just be similar ships.
I’m pretty sure some Legends book or other established the ship in ROTS as definitely the Falcon, but I don’t expect it to be addressed explicitly in the new canon.
Scott109 said:
Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”), I never understood the problem with midichlorians per se, even if Qui-Gon’s explanation of them is rather boring and mundane.
The Force being hereditary and The Force being the result if micro organisms are completely different things. The main problems is that there is no mention of midicholorians in the OT.
Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
The quality of the idea is not the issue; it’s the fact that it directly conflicts Leia somehow remembering her mother.
If George Lucas had created very detailed plot outlines but given the actual screenwriting and directing to others to accomplish, the results would have been epic.
The results would have been much more epic than The Force Awakens.
Perhaps. It would be nice to at least see George’s idea for the ST.
Scott109 said:
Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”), I never understood the problem with midichlorians per se, even if Qui-Gon’s explanation of them is rather boring and mundane.The Force being hereditary and The Force being the result if micro organisms are completely different things. The main problems is that there is no mention of midicholorians in the OT.
Well, to be devil’s advocate, midichlorians where invented by Lucas back in the 70’s, and they aren’t the Force in of itself, they are just supposed to help certain people connect to it stronger than others (hence hereditary Force-sensitivity among some characters). Sure, it’s an unnecessary addition to a concept I think most viewers understood from the get-go, but it’s not as illogical as many make it out to be. It’s just a superfluous little detail that Lucas initially chose to only include in the EU.
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Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”)
This doesn’t mean that the force is hereditary. “The love for Star Wars is strong in my family” also doesn’t mean that liking Star Wars is determined by ones genes.
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Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
You mean that you prefer the fact that she “lost the will to live”, therefore not giving a damn about any of her kids (ignore the ridiculous fan theory about Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give it to Vader) , to her fighting to live and at least being able to be there for one of her kids? Any decent parent would have fought tooth and nail to live, not just give up because your psycho husband went bad
Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
You mean that you prefer the fact that she “lost the will to live”, therefore not giving a damn about any of her kids (ignore the ridiculous fan theory about Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give it to Vader)
Oh man, that is amazingly stupid!
Like something that would be in a YA novel or some shit.
Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
You mean that you prefer the fact that she “lost the will to live”, therefore not giving a damn about any of her kids (ignore the ridiculous fan theory about Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give it to Vader) , to her fighting to live and at least being able to be there for one of her kids? Any decent parent would have fought tooth and nail to live, not just give up because your psycho husband went bad
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.
Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
It is very poetic: Padmé died the moment Luke and Leia were born and the moment Anakin was reborn as Darth Vader.
Oh god, this can’t be real.
Considering the original trilogy states that Force sensitivity is passed down through bloodlines (“the Force is strong in my family…”)
This doesn’t mean that the force is hereditary. “The love for Star Wars is strong in my family” also doesn’t mean that liking Star Wars is determined by ones genes.
In context, Luke was saying that because the Force was strong in his family Leia was Force-sensitive despite not undergoing any training.
Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
You mean that you prefer the fact that she “lost the will to live”, therefore not giving a damn about any of her kids (ignore the ridiculous fan theory about Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give it to Vader) , to her fighting to live and at least being able to be there for one of her kids? Any decent parent would have fought tooth and nail to live, not just give up because your psycho husband went bad
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
It is very poetic: Padmé died the moment Luke and Leia were born and the moment Anakin was reborn as Darth Vader.
lol
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Honestly, I greatly prefer the idea of Padmé dying in childbirth to the idea of her living on Alderaan with Leia for a few years, which would imply that she purposefully parted with her son Luke.
You mean that you prefer the fact that she “lost the will to live”, therefore not giving a damn about any of her kids (ignore the ridiculous fan theory about Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give it to Vader) , to her fighting to live and at least being able to be there for one of her kids? Any decent parent would have fought tooth and nail to live, not just give up because your psycho husband went bad
If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
It is very poetic: Padmé died the moment Luke and Leia were born and the moment Anakin was reborn as Darth Vader.
Oh my God.
It is very poetic
I once had a wife named Padmé. She died. She died.
Palpatine told me I killed her. He lied. He lied.
Why, oh why, is my wife dead?
Couldn’t I have lost the will to live, instead?
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
Brilliant work, Lisa!
It is very poetic
I once had a wife named Padmé. She died. She died.
Palpatine told me I killed her. He lied. He lied.
Why, oh why, is my wife dead?
Couldn’t I have lost the will to live, instead?
This is the best Star Wars thing made in this thread.
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If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
It is very poetic: Padmé died the moment Luke and Leia were born and the moment Anakin was reborn as Darth Vader.
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If you spent your entire life fighting to preserve a democratic republic only to discover your husband ushered in a violent dictatorship which oppress your future children indefinitely, losing the will to live is a natural response.
A natural response when you have two newborns? Padme was a bitch then with no care for the two helpless young children that would be left without a mother just because she cares more about someone she knew was a psycho all along. Nothing supernatural about it either, no matter what stupid theories fans like to come up with. Lucas himself said that she died of a broken heart and lost the will to live, so there’s the official explanation - Padme really was a selfish bitch.
When you have children of your own you realise just how much you will fight for them no matter what you have been through. There is no way you would leave them parentless.
MEDICAL DROID: Medically, she is completely healthy. For reasons we can’t explain, we’re losing her.
OBI-WAN: She’s dying?
MEDICAL DROID: We don’t know why. She has lost the will to live.Although the medical droid states Padmé lost the will to live, it never states that the loss of the will to live is the only cause of her death. On the contrary, it states that Padmé is dying “for reasons we can’t explain.” Losing the the will to live was not the primary cause of Padmé’s death; it was only the subsidiary cause. The primary cause was something inexplicable and supernatural. Presumably Palpatine withdrew the Living Force from Padmé to save Anakin’s life, which is why if you listen closely Padmé’s heart stops beating the moment Anakin’s heart starts beating again.
The droid says she is completely healthy and the only thing mentioned is her losing the will to live. Nowhere does it point to any supernatural cause, thats just fanwank. And were we watching the same film? Vader doesn’t die so his heart never stops beating so how could his heart start beating again?
If Palpatine could snuff out life from a distance, why would he ever need to fight anyone?
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If Palpatine could snuff out life from a distance, why would he ever need to fight anyone?
That’s not how the force works!
That’s not how the force works!
How would you know? Have you been trained as a Jedi?
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
