imperialscum said:
Well if you proclaimed it is better (or equal) than any OT film you are in the same boat.I wonder when the nostalgia vision for ROTJ will ware off.
What nostalgia? I didn’t watch it theaters and I wasn’t a kid at the time either.
ROTJ is roughly on ANH and ESB level. The rest doesn’t come close to OT.
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imperialscum said:
ROTJ is roughly on ANH and ESB level. The rest doesn’t come close to OT.
It’s in the ANH ball park…kind of but ESB? Absolutely not. ESB is a nearly flawless film and ROTJ has a multitude of issues that prevents it from even being great. Putting those two on the same level is blasphemous.
imperialscum said:
ROTJ is roughly on ANH and ESB level. The rest doesn’t come close to OT.It’s in the ANH ball park…kind of but ESB? Absolutely not. ESB is a nearly flawless film and ROTJ has a multitude of issues that prevents it from even being great. Putting those two on the same level is blasphemous.
You put TFA on the OT level. I really can’t take you seriously.
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imperialscum said:
You put TFA on the OT level. I really cann’t take you serious.
And you put ROTJ on the ESB level…Plus you not taking me seriously is probably a good thing.
imperialscum said:
ROTJ is roughly on ANH and ESB level. The rest doesn’t come close to OT.It’s in the ANH ball park…kind of but ESB? Absolutely not. ESB is a nearly flawless film and ROTJ has a multitude of issues that prevents it from even being great. Putting those two on the same level is blasphemous.
I don’t agree with anything impscum says ever so don’t take this as an endorsement of his point…nor do I agree with the thread I’m going to mention…but there is a thread here where a few people argue that ROTJ is the best SW film.
TV’s Frink said:
I don’t agree with anything impscum says ever so don’t take this as an endorsement of his point…nor do I agree with the thread I’m going to mention…but there is a thread here where a few people argue that ROTJ is the best SW film.
People will argue for anything these days lol
You’d have to ignore a lot of shortcomings to come to such a conclusion. Such as:
Do I even need to continue?
TFA has it’s fair share of problems but a lot of them aren’t surface layer stuff like in ROTJ and a lot of the complaints I’ve heard about the film were from people who were nitpicking or didn’t understand the film at all.
Do I even need to continue?
You most certainly do not need to continue presenting your irrelevant opinion.
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All opinions are irrelevant.
All opinions are irrelevant.
Then don’t say “one would need to ignore shortcomings”. There are no shortcomings. One just needs to ignore your opinion that you are trying to present as a fact.
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“There are no shortcomings” sounds like an opinion you’re stating as factual too. Unlike you however I can actually defend my viewpoint.
It’s times like this that I’m glad I only got into the OT at 16.
I got into the OT at 4 and I still can admit it has shortcomings. The flaws simply add to the charm. I don’t see why people get so defensive whenever someone points out that something they like is not perfect. Nothing is perfect. Chill. What matters is that you enjoy it. If you enjoy it, it might as well be perfect to you. If you can’t get past something not being perfect then you’re not gonna enjoy anything at all.
I really feel a lot of dissapointment when it comes to ROTJ. So I’d agree that TFA is equal to ROTJ or better.
“There are no shortcomings” sounds like an opinion you’re stating as factual too. Unlike you however I can actually defend my viewpoint.
It’s times like this that I’m glad I only got into the OT at 16.
There’s no point arguing with him. The sooner you embrace that, the more you’ll enjoy originaltrilogy.com
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Just about the only sensible point you’ve made.
TFA is nearly equal with ROTJ, but it has more of a sense of fun and adrenaline, which makes it an easier watch.
Not enough people read the EU.
TFA is nearly equal with ROTJ, but it has more of a sense of fun and adrenaline, which makes it an easier watch.
Agreed, there’s nothing bad about TFA overall whereas ROTJ has some pretty bad parts (Ewoks, “I’ve always known”, “A certain point of view”, etc.) I still love ROTJ but I don’t think TFA has anything that bad or stupid, we have nitpicks but it’s a good movie overall
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
“There are no shortcomings” sounds like an opinion you’re stating as factual too. Unlike you however I can actually defend my viewpoint.
It’s times like this that I’m glad I only got into the OT at 16.
There’s no point arguing with him. The sooner you embrace that, the more you’ll enjoy originaltrilogy.com
Too bad there are millions of other people who have this “The OT is literally perfect and no Star Wars film could ever come close” hive mind. I can’t wait to see how they react to VIII and IX assuming they’re better than TFA.
“There are no shortcomings” sounds like an opinion you’re stating as factual too. Unlike you however I can actually defend my viewpoint.
It’s times like this that I’m glad I only got into the OT at 16.
There’s no point arguing with him. The sooner you embrace that, the more you’ll enjoy originaltrilogy.com
Too bad there are millions of other people who have this “The OT is literally perfect and no Star Wars film could ever come close” hive mind. I can’t wait to see how they react to VIII and IX assuming they’re better than TFA.
I don’t know why you’d assume that. Making a really good middle film in a trilogy is an especially difficult thing to do.
TV’s Frink said:
I don’t know why you’d assume that. Making a really good middle film in a trilogy is an especially difficult thing to do.
Maybe I’m just being hopeful but they already laid the ground work for solid stories to be told and if they have taken fan feedback into consideration they should be able to craft a story that’s better than TFA and perhaps one that rivals ESB. Hopefully.
if they have taken fan feedback into consideration
Hopefully not.
if they have taken fan feedback into consideration
Hopefully not.
Rational fan feedback. Feedback from those like Bosk or Smoking Lizard need not be considered. Nor people who enjoyed the PT.
You know all this talk has me thinking about alternative endings for TFA.
First of all you ditch the SKB immediately. Incredibly lazy rehash that’d already been rehashed in the last film.
Instead you shift the focus exclusively back to Luke. It’s a race to see who can find him first.
Rey is never captured. She makes it back to the Resistance. Meanwhile, the First Order manage to capture Luke and so the last part of the film is a rescue mission.
That or Rey and Luke are both captured, escape their cells independently, and then team up to escape the base while the Resistance makes their own assault.
Just something other than the tired mega-weapon AGAIN.
That said, my ranked list would go as follows:
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
The Caravan of Courage
The Battle for Endor
The Holiday Special
Jedit: Just came up with a better solution.
We keep the film more or less the same. But instead of the SKB the dilemma is instead about going on an unsactioned rescue mission for Rey.
Rey is captured but Leia can’t openly sanction a rescue mission as it would be seen as provoking the First Order and Rey isn’t valuable enough to justify it.
So instead Finn, Han and Chewie decide to strike out on their own to rescue her.
Once they arrive the film can play out more or less how it did. Except that once they’re there they find a secret experimental craft or fleet or biological weapon or something and that becomes the justification for destroying the base before they leave.
Too bad there are millions of other people who have this “The OT is literally perfect and no Star Wars film could ever come close” hive mind.
Judging from this forum discussions, there seem to be way fewer people who like just OT. There seems to be many who likes TFA and PT or some combination of it.
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And how does that make you feel?