Oy vey.
😕
It’s Yiddish. Blame a childhood watching Mel Brooks movies. I didn’t even know what Shmuck meant until I was an adult. Apparently a lot of tv censors didn’t either.
And emojis still don’t work for me, unless I’m on my Windows 10 machine.
Where were you in '77?
imperialscum said:
That is not ignorant. That is being intelligent enough to hold my own opinion and not let some <insert bad word> on internet try to push their own opinion upon me.Lord Haseo said:
Also this conversation isn’t about opinions; TPM has racial stereotypes. End of discussion. Just because it happens to be in a franchise you sort of like doesn’t warrant ANYONE to try to worm their way around, justify or turn a blind eye to it.
Considering something racist when racism wasn’t the intent is completely subjective, so yes, this is about opinions. For something to be racist means that it is portraying a group (race) in a condescending or negative way with the intent of doing so. If you feel that these are racist and offensive, that’s your opinion, but it is not fact.
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Oy vey.
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It’s Yiddish.
I know.
- I don’t care as a matter of fact of your “jewishness”: you’re the one who talked about it, so don’t if it’s just a fact dropping that does not add anything important to the discussion.
If someone says I can’t have an opinion on racial stereotypes unless I’m a member of that race (which is bullshit, by the way), then it’s absolutely relevant to the discussion to mention that I’m a member of one of the races that is being stereotyped.
Along those lines, for those of you who think you have to be a member of the race being stereotyped…what gives you the right to insist it’s not a stereotype if you aren’t a member of that race? That’s far worse!
If anyone here (who doesn’t think there are racial stereotypes in TPM) is a Black Asian Jew, I’d like to hear about it for sure.
Ah, I didn’t say you can’t have an opinion. I said you aren’t the best one to determine if something is offensive to a particular group outside your own.
Are you Jewish? Of Middle Eastern descent? Why are you better to determine if Watto is offensive than I am?
Are you black? Asian? All three?
Why are you the one to decide if something is offensive?
As far as the complaint about Asian accents goes, I’m not going to pretend I’m good and picking out the exact origin of various accents from that region of the world. But there seems to be a few people who think the Nemodians sound Japanese…and last I checked, Japan is part of Asia…so that would make it an Asian accent, no?
It certainly sounds more “Asian” than German.
Dek Rollins said:
Considering something racist when racism wasn’t the intent is completely subjective, so yes, this is about opinions. For something to be racist means that it is portraying a group (race) in a condescending or negative way with the intent of doing so. If you feel that these are racist and offensive, that’s your opinion, but it is not fact.
There are still racial stereotypes in the film. That is the only fact that should be in play as it pertains to the topic.
Dek Rollins said:
Considering something racist when racism wasn’t the intent is completely subjective, so yes, this is about opinions. For something to be racist means that it is portraying a group (race) in a condescending or negative way with the intent of doing so. If you feel that these are racist and offensive, that’s your opinion, but it is not fact.There are still racial stereotypes in the film. That is the only fact that should be in play as it pertains to the topic.
IF YOU AREN’T A BLACK ASIAN JEW OR YOTSUYA YOU CAN’T DECIDE THAT.
There are still racial stereotypes in the film. That is the only fact that should be in play as it pertains to the topic.
Get that nonsense out of your head already…
That is your opinion.
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imperialscum said:
as long as they only present it as their opinion and not try to push it on others (which is what you are trying to do).
HA!
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imperialscum said:
Get that nonsense out of your head already…That is your opinion.
I don’t think you know what an opinion actually is. When there are clear as day racial stereotypes (although Jar Jar is not as overtly reminiscent to black face as the others are to their stereotypes) then it’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. Get over it.
People will use the the “my opinion” excuse for anything now a days.
imperialscum said:
as long as they only present it as their opinion and not try to push it on others (which is what you are trying to do).HA!
Delicious Hypocrite, is Delicious.
imperialscum said:
as long as they only present it as their opinion and not try to push it on others (which is what you are trying to do).HA!
Delicious Hypocrite, is Delicious.
On a level of team_negative1 telling people to obey the forum rules!
The Person in Question
If only he’d steal something too!
imperialscum said:
Get that nonsense out of your head already…That is your opinion.
I don’t think you know what an opinion actually is. When there are clear as day racial stereotypes (although Jar Jar is not as overtly reminiscent to black face as the others are to their stereotypes) then it’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. Get over it.
People will use the the “my opinion” excuse for anything now a days.
See, had Ahmed Best not claimed he had a free hand in creating Jar Jar and someone else (implying GL or some other white person) had made Jar Jar with the traits Best gave him, Jar Jar would be the only one I might agree was a clear stereotype. The others are not as clear as day. They match no stereotype I’ve ever encountered unless you nit pick and over analyze to find things that aren’t really there.
Dek Rollins said:
Considering something racist when racism wasn’t the intent is completely subjective, so yes, this is about opinions. For something to be racist means that it is portraying a group (race) in a condescending or negative way with the intent of doing so. If you feel that these are racist and offensive, that’s your opinion, but it is not fact.There are still racial stereotypes in the film. That is the only fact that should be in play as it pertains to the topic.
IF YOU AREN’T A BLACK ASIAN JEW OR YOTSUYA YOU CAN’T DECIDE THAT.
I’m glad you hold my opinion so high.
That’s some real imperialscum-level sarcasm right there.
I’m still waiting to hear how you are the only one other than the races in question who can determine what is or is not a stereotype.
yotsuya said:
See, had Ahmed Best not claimed he had a free hand in creating Jar Jar and someone else (implying GL or some other white person) had made Jar Jar with the traits Best gave him, Jar Jar would be the only one I might agree was a clear stereotype.
Maybe Ahmed accidentally helped in creating something that’s similar to black face and has never wanted to own up to that mistake. I’m sure the paycheck helped though
The others are not as clear as day. They match no stereotype I’ve ever encountered unless you nit pick and over analyze to find things that aren’t really there.
Looks and definitely sounds pretty clear from where I’m standing on the Asian side of it.
Greedo is a greedy alien who is hard to negotiate with and who happens to have a big nose
I don’t see where posting someone’s bad MSpaint scribbles is helping this discussion in any way.
Where were you in '77?
Because it’s comparable to a picture of a stereotyped Jewish man. It seems listing descriptive qualities isn’t enough.
Do we have to post potentially offensive imagery to prove a point? It doesn’t come from the movie, so I don’t see what it helps.
Where were you in '77?
So I assume posting exampled of Asian accents earlier was offenensive too…in any case I’ll get rid of it
An image posted in the thread is harder to avoid than a link. Thanks for your cooperation.
Where were you in '77?
Any time. And I apologize if anyone felt me posting that was malicious in any way.
If you watch the making of documentaries Mr Best would perform in a particular way and Mr Lucas would ask him to exaggerate his movements to be more floppy and slack. He also wrote the dialogue, directed it and the ADR sessions and edited the film. If the Stepin Fechitness was accidental there were a lot of times and people to point it out and correct it. Nobody did. From this he earns a living?
I guess us poor goyims should just except that Frink is a choosen star wars fans and all he says is fact.
IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
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come on. since you don’t seem to like frink, try just avoiding him. what is up with your sig?