I’ll never understand why they ever said that the novels are canon )unless its a misunderstanding and they meant the new-EU novels and NOT the movie adaptations). If they are then Owen is Obi-Wan’s brother and Padme married Bail Organa.
Didn’t Leia say that she had an adoptive mother in the ROTJ novel? Or do I remember that wrong?
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Keep in mind that there are many factions of the Rebel Alliance, so I don’t see why she has to be everywhere Luke, Leia, Han, etc. is.
I have to point out that this is not true in the original movies. I suppose this might be suggested in the EU stuff, but in the original 1977 film, the Empire is attempting to find one hidden Rebel base and Darth Vader is confident that destroying that one base will result in the end of the Rebellion.
Didn’t Leia say that she had an adoptive mother in the ROTJ novel? Or do I remember that wrong?
It’s mentioned in the original film. Luke: “Leia… do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”
Keep in mind that there are many factions of the Rebel Alliance, so I don’t see why she has to be everywhere Luke, Leia, Han, etc. is.
I have to point out that this is not true in the original movies. I suppose this might be suggested in the EU stuff, but in the original 1977 film, the Empire is attempting to find one hidden Rebel base and Darth Vader is confident that destroying that one base will result in the end of the Rebellion.
That’s true, but even the OT wasn’t always too consistent themselves. But yes, they definitely seem to have a Main Base that they move around. But it seems stupid of the to “put all their eggs in one basket” so to speak. Also I’m not denying that these are retcons, they obviously are, but that’s not exactly something that’s new to SW, and I’m simply saying that it’s not too hard to give reasonable excuses as to where Mon Mothma was during ANH and ESB when you take the PT, EU (both of them), and the new Disney canon into account. If you go from a OT purist perspective then yes, her sudden appearance in ROTJ s kinda weird, but in the whole franchise that’s developed since, there’s plenty to choose from.
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yeh, its been a while since i read the book. Its just said that she takes leia to live as the daughter of senator organa on alderaan. Ben calls him her Foster Father, so not even adpoted.
now, onto the Rogue On trailer…
Not impressed. Looks more like a TV show or quality Fan film to me. The AT-At’s are terrible. They move like their video game counterparts. No weight to them at all. They could have at least properly studied the At-At’s in ESB to see how they move and walk. The lead actresses acting is terrible too. Mon Mothma they got spot on. A shuttle that looks more like a larger version of Kylo Ren’s shuttle makes no sense in the timleine this is set. And moisture vaporators on a planet that seems has no problems with obtaining water?
Didn’t Leia say that she had an adoptive mother in the ROTJ novel? Or do I remember that wrong?
It’s mentioned in the original film. Luke: “Leia… do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”
Right, that’s what I though. Owen is still Obi-Wan’s brother though according to the novel, so it’s still kind of funny that Lucasfilm would claim it was canon, even if they later changed that to mostly-canon.
The novel also has some funny, subtle inconsistencies such as Palpatine having a hard time remembering Yoda’s name and implying that he never personally met him, and so forth.
Are’t these novels still being published? I can imagine that reading them must be somewhat confusing for anyone who grew up with the PT. (I mean I did, but I read them because I wanted to experience the pre-PT canon of the OT. They actually contain quite a lot of interesting PT ideas from before Lucas actually made the PT films.)
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ZkinandBonez said:
If you go from a OT purist perspective then yes, her sudden appearance in ROTJ s kinda weird, but in the whole franchise that’s developed since, there’s plenty to choose from.
I may well be the most annoying OT purist you’ll ever meet and I have absolutely no problem with Mon Mothma suddenly appearing in ROTJ.
Do you have any problems with the OT?
I’m glad to see that Mon Mothma wasn’t a CG recreation of Caroline Blakiston and was instead played by a new actor. Hopefully we’ll get something similar with Tarkin.
(I was also surprised by the inclusion of a Grand Admiral. Wasn’t that whole white uniform thing invented by Timothy Zahn in the Thrawn trilogy?)
Nope!
Where were you in '77?
And isn’t it nice that some of you have something new to kvetch about for the next eight months? 😉
Where were you in '77?
In Star Wars, Yavin base thought Leia was dead until the Millennium Falcon showed up with the Death Star on their heels. So its not beyond the realm of possibility that Mon Mothma had left on another mission, thinking both Leia and Bail were dead. So she wouldn’t be there when they arrive and concoct the plan to destroy the Death Star.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
Never mind the fact that according to the original ROTJ script, Mon Mothma was never mentioned as being a member of the Imperial Senate.
Mon Mothma’s character hadn’t even been created during the production of ANH, so I hardly see how that has any impact on a prequel movie made in 2016.
It’s irrelevant what year the script is written. I’m simply saying that in order for the 2016 script to be consistent with the 1983 script, you have to be able to explain why Mon Mothma appears to be in a leadership role in events prior to the 1977 script.
(And as a somewhat relevant side-note, she was part of the Republic Senate in the PT and Clone Wars series which is part of the DisneyEU, so it’s not improbable that her role as an Imperial Senate member will be re-canonized)
That’s a good point. I must concede that I very often forget that the PT is canon and, frankly, I had forgotten her character appears in one of those prequel films.
So you say she was a senator in the PT? If that’s the case, then her timeline must be something like this:
Is in the Republic Senate.
Gets involved with the Rebellion. Presumably she becomes a leader of the Rebellion of some sort.
Commissions spies to intercept the Death Star plans.
Disappears roughly at that point from the events of ANH and TESB.
Returns somehow in ROTJ as the leader of the Rebellion.
Keep in mind that there are many factions of the Rebel Alliance, so I don’t see why she has to be everywhere Luke, Leia, Han, etc. is. Also she’s more of a political leader than a military tactician, so I fail to see why she had to be present on f.ex. Hoth. (In the old EU she was making herself useful elsewhere during these events.) Kep in midn that we only see the Rebels gathered four times in the OT. Why she wasn’t present during the DS attack can have many reasonable explanations, and now we see that she was present on Yavin in RO, her not being on Hoth is fairly easy to explain, she could have been present when the Rebel fleet gathered att he end of ESB even though we never saw her, and finally she was present when the Rebellion gathered to make a calculated attack on the DS II in ROTJ. (We also have no idea where she was during the 4-5 years between ANH and ESB in the new EU. I’m sure they’ll make some comics and novels to fill that gap soon.) Considering how the character was introduced in ROTJ, I think all of this makes a pretty decent Disney canon timeline.
This is it exactly, as talked about here.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
Fun theory time!
Tyrphanax and I have theorized that MAYBE some of these characters are from Al Williamson newspaper strip run.
Moustache man could be Vrad Dodonna:
Caped Imperial Officer could be Amise Griff:
One can only dream! =P
One of the things that really stands out to me in the trailer is how amazing this shot of the Star Destroyer looks.
Yes! and my favorite thing about that shot is how what first looks like a Wipe from a star field to the death star, turns out to be just a shadow as you see it move behind the Star Destroyer.
Of course it could just be the way the trailer is cut that made me think it was a wipe, but i assume this ‘trick’ was on purpose, and i love it.
ZkinandBonez said:
If you go from a OT purist perspective then yes, her sudden appearance in ROTJ s kinda weird, but in the whole franchise that’s developed since, there’s plenty to choose from.I may well be the most annoying OT purist you’ll ever meet and I have absolutely no problem with Mon Mothma suddenly appearing in ROTJ.
Well, I’m a sort of compromised OT purist myself. I tend to completely ignore any EU stuff written post 1999, but I enjoyed TFA well enough to make a sort-of compromise with the new movies. But as far as I’m concerned they’re just elaborate Disney fan films.
And isn’t it nice that some of you have something new to kvetch about for the next eight months? 😉
My thoughts exactly.
I mean the trailer’s only been out for a day, and we’re already having complex arguments about the SW canon. I don’t really know anyone personally that knows SW-lore well enough to have these kinds of discussions, so I’m having tons of fun.
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I’m glad to see that Mon Mothma wasn’t a CG recreation of Caroline Blakiston and was instead played by a new actor. Hopefully we’ll get something similar with Tarkin.
(I was also surprised by the inclusion of a Grand Admiral. Wasn’t that whole white uniform thing invented by Timothy Zahn in the Thrawn trilogy?)Nope!
So is this guy a Grand Admiral? Or did Zahn retcon that later?
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that a lo of officer on the DS wore white uniforms.
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I mentioned it a couple pages ago, but the white uniforms in ANH are for the Imperial Security Bureau, or ISB: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Security_Bureau
I mentioned it a couple pages ago, but the white uniforms in ANH are for the Imperial Security Bureau, or ISB: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Security_Bureau
Ah, right, I missed that somehow.
However it does seem that the white uniforms being part of the ISB is currently only in the Legends canon so I’m curious to see what Disney canonize them as. I guess that also means that the guy in RO isn’t a Grand Admiral, but something else.
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yotsuya said:
As for Mon Mothma, they don’t really need to explain anything.For the story to make sense and not be sloppy writing like the prequels and TFA, they do.
She appears to be on the 4th moon of Yavin in RO and she was not there by the time the Millenium Falcon landed. There is quite a bit of time in between that includes the Emperor disolving the Senate and the destruction of Alderaan, not to mention the success of the the plot to steal the Death Star plans.
Where is she during the attack on the Death Star? It’s the Rebellion’s most crucial hour and she’s leading some futile protest of the dissolution of the Senate?
Never mind the fact that according to the original ROTJ script, Mon Mothma was never mentioned as being a member of the Imperial Senate.
Where was she during the medal ceremony? Luke, Han, Chewie, and, I suppose Wedge, just saved the entire galaxy and the entire Rebellion and she’s not present?
Where was she on Hoth?
She likely couldn’t just hide out at the rebel base and needed to get back to work.
Get back to work doing what?
In ROTJ there is no Senate for her to be a part of. In TESB she can easily be out trying to recruit others to the cause such as the Mon Calamari. And a reminder, if you know the story of ANH well at all, the Alliance had no idea there was going to be an attack in the Yavin system until the Millennium Falcon landed so it is silly to expect that all the important figures would be at the base at such a crucial time when no one had any idea it was crucial until the attack was imminent. And it seems they conducted the award ceremony immediately and she likely was unable to get back. As others have pointed out, when Palpatine dissolved the Senate, he may have taken the Senators hostage and if she was not in hiding (which she really had no reason to be just has Leia had no reason to be) they would have picked her up where ever she happened to be. She was a Senator so she was likely on Coruscant or her howeworld or in transit to one or the other (depending on travel times) and would be easy to find.
You are creating a problem where there is none and requiring an explanation for events that don’t need to be explained. It is not sloppy writing to fail to explain events that are outside of any need for explanation. ROTS established that Mon Mothma was a founding member of the Rebel Alliance so where she was during any particular event between there and ROTJ need not be explained. She is a politician and her best work for the Alliance would be to work within the Imperial Senate and work to gain more members of the Alliance. Those necessitate NOT being at a rebel base very often. Her role means her absence makes sense so explaining it is needless. I would say that the importance of the mission being carried out in Rogue One likely drove her to a Rebel base for the first time in a long time. I think the only explanation they need to give is why she is at the base at all, not whey she isn’t there later or at the Hoth base. As a serving Senator, she would not want to be caught at a rebel base or risk giving away its location except under extreme circumstances.
Right I never noticed there was a trailer until just now…
Ok yeah AT-AT’s look cheap not sold what happened to Mr Gareth “Godzilla” Edwards?
I really like the Death Star Dish Retracting
I Like Yavin Base being re-created
I liked the snippet of battle with storm troopers
So Another Woman Heroine… Not sure how strong she came across not anywhere near as strong as Forest Whitaker though.
Jungle water planet? Ady brought up a good point about the moisture vaporators what if the water was poisonous?
Hmmm I think you can expect lower budget spinoff on first impressions. Is ILM doing the special effects?
In case anyone was wondering, Mon Mothma is the same actress who played her in Episode III.
Where were you in '77?
Can we be totally sure that is Yavin base? There must be other smaller outposts.
Where were you in '77?
Well It seemed like it was Yavin Base to me and the tactical operations / control room looked pretty similar
Isn’t it possible that Mothma was in the Senate when the Emperor dissolved the Senate? She may have stayed on Coruscant to plead with others to keep it intact or to join the Rebellion.
Also the small Rebellion theory, if the idea is that the entire Rebellion is like 10 ships and 150 people to go against the Galactic friggin Empire…they are braver than I thought.
They will have to do something with these characters at the end of this film. Perhaps Vader kills all of them. Perhaps they allow the 2 main leads to survive, Mon Mothma is captured and they have a sequel post ANH where these two are trying to find her.
But probably they all get slaughtered. Can’t wait.
That Rebel reading the charges sounds a lot like Agent Kallus from Rebels.
Mon Mothma is with the Rebel fleet a couple of months after the Battle of Yavin in the canon comics, for what it’s worth.
