Star Wars: Rogue One - * Non Spoiler Discussion Thread * — Page 14

I want to see the 501st threads pouring over the screencaps to critique the Stormtroopers or start modifying their own equipment to have the first Rogue One model.

I kind of just hope they bought ANOVOS costumes, making the ones purchased already 100% screen accurate to the movie, but in reverse.

Mithrandir said:

Smoking Lizard said:

Bingowings said:

She was in ROTS played by the same actress wearing different clothes.

The prequel trilogy is stupid.

Again, I suppose there’s some “logical” explanation why Mon Mothma does not appear at the Death Star attack run briefing, does not appear as the attack on the Death Star is unfolding, does not appear at the medal ceremony, does not appear anywhere on Hoth…

But now, hey! She’s hanging out in a leadership role in the Rebel alliance in a movie scene that predates the 1977 movie.

Disney did not waste any money on continuity experts.

Maybe she leaves to Coruscant after the battle. Maybe she’s requested for an emergency session of the Imperial Senate where some good old Emperor decides that due to the Empire being attacked it is about time to dissolve the Congress. Maybe.

But that’s just what I would have done to solve the continuity issue. Perhaps they just do not care.

Disney/Lucasfilm and Star Wars. Not to be confused with Fox and X-Men.

To piggyback on the “maybe she was called back to Coruscant for a special Senate session” thing, it wouldn’t be out of character for the Emperor to take all of the Senators hostage immediately after dissolving the senate “for their own protection”. There could be a whole chain of events going on in the background that we don’t see where a different sect of Rebels is working to save Mon Mothma and any other Senators with Alliance sympathies.

One of the things that really stands out to me in the trailer is how amazing this shot of the Star Destroyer looks.

It looks so much like the miniature ships from the OT, however I can’t find any reason to rationalize this effect as being anything other than CGI.
It could of course just have to do with the resolution of the trailer, and maybe when I see it on the big screen it’ll look more like the CG ships in TFA, but maybe they’ve done something somewhat different. This is really just a wild speculation (based off one shot at that), but maybe they’ve done something similar to what was done in Star Trek: Insurrection, where they photographed the miniature of the Enterprise from the previous film and then made a 3D CG model out of those photos to make it look more convincing. Maybe they’ve done something similar with one of the old Star Destroyer miniatures?
Or maybe it’s just an exceptionally good CG shot, I just thought it look strangely better than the AT-AT’s in the trailer, as well as all of the spaceships in TFA (both the film and trailers).

Smoking Lizard said:

Where is she during the attack on the Death Star? It’s the Rebellion’s most crucial hour and she’s leading some futile protest of the dissolution of the Senate?

Never mind the fact that according to the original ROTJ script, Mon Mothma was never mentioned as being a member of the Imperial Senate.

Where was she during the medal ceremony? Luke, Han, Chewie, and, I suppose Wedge, just saved the entire galaxy and the entire Rebellion and she’s not present?

Well, the attack on the Death Star was kind of improvised, and hardly a planned attack. They had plans to attack it at some point after the’d received the tech plans yes, but they hadn’t expected the DS to show up at their doorstep. And although the length of space travel tend to vary from film-to-film, we don’t know how log it would take Mon Mothma to get to Coruscant, or wherever she went, and back again in time for a ceremony. I mean there is a whole galaxy for Mothma to have gone during these unexpected events that took place over no more than a couple of days.

Smoking Lizard said:

Never mind the fact that according to the original ROTJ script, Mon Mothma was never mentioned as being a member of the Imperial Senate.

Mon Mothma’s character hadn’t even been created during the production of ANH, so I hardly see how that has any impact on a prequel movie made in 2016.

(And as a somewhat relevant side-note, she was part of the Republic Senate in the PT and Clone Wars series which is part of the DisneyEU, so it’s not improbable that her role as an Imperial Senate member will be re-canonized)

Smoking Lizard said:

Lord Haseo said:

You’re still ignoring the fact that it wasn’t explained in ROTJ as to why she wasn’t in STAR WARS or ESB. So why should another film have to pick up the slack because the OT had so so writing in that department?

It’s a very simple explanation – Mon Mothma has assumed the leadership role of the Rebel Alliance sometime between TESB and ROTJ.

We see her found the early seeds for the Rebellion with Bail Organa and Padme in ROTS, which needless to say is part of Disney’s canon even if many of us here don’t like to acknowledge it.

They even used the same actress in Rogue One.

Tobar said:

Mon Mothma is easy to explain.

The one that is/would be hard to explain is Biggs.

If that is Biggs then we do actually have a continuity problem on our hands. When Luke runs into him at Tosche Station he states his intentions of jumping ship and trying to join the Rebellion. He doesn’t supposedly join the Rebellion until sometime after that before Luke makes it to the Hidden Base.

Now, some will say that it’s a deleted scene and therefore doesn’t count. HOWEVER, it’s been officially stated that the novelizations of the films are canon and that scene is included in the novelization of Star Wars.

Theories?

Well, in the old EU, Biggs was lying to Luke and had already joined the Rebellion months earlier. He essentially described to Luke what he had already done, but pretended that it was something he was planning to do so that he could both “recruit” Luke without potentially compromising himself or the Rebels to the Empire.
It’s possible that this idea will be re-canonized (unless of course the novelization blatantly contradicts this, which I wouldn’t know as I haven’t read it.)

EDIT: Are the novelizations really part of the Disney canon? There’s a fair amount of PT contradictions in those books, especially in ROTJ.

Smoking Lizard said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Smoking Lizard said:

Never mind the fact that according to the original ROTJ script, Mon Mothma was never mentioned as being a member of the Imperial Senate.

Mon Mothma’s character hadn’t even been created during the production of ANH, so I hardly see how that has any impact on a prequel movie made in 2016.

It’s irrelevant what year the script is written. I’m simply saying that in order for the 2016 script to be consistent with the 1983 script, you have to be able to explain why Mon Mothma appears to be in a leadership role in events prior to the 1977 script.

(And as a somewhat relevant side-note, she was part of the Republic Senate in the PT and Clone Wars series which is part of the DisneyEU, so it’s not improbable that her role as an Imperial Senate member will be re-canonized)

That’s a good point. I must concede that I very often forget that the PT is canon and, frankly, I had forgotten her character appears in one of those prequel films.

So you say she was a senator in the PT? If that’s the case, then her timeline must be something like this:

1. Is in the Republic Senate.

2. Gets involved with the Rebellion. Presumably she becomes a leader of the Rebellion of some sort.

3. Commissions spies to intercept the Death Star plans.

4. Disappears roughly at that point from the events of ANH and TESB.

5. Returns somehow in ROTJ as the leader of the Rebellion.

Keep in mind that there are many factions of the Rebel Alliance, so I don’t see why she has to be everywhere Luke, Leia, Han, etc. is. Also she’s more of a political leader than a military tactician, so I fail to see why she had to be present on f.ex. Hoth. (In the old EU she was making herself useful elsewhere during these events.) Kep in midn that we only see the Rebels gathered four times in the OT. Why she wasn’t present during the DS attack can have many reasonable explanations, and now we see that she was present on Yavin in RO, her not being on Hoth is fairly easy to explain, she could have been present when the Rebel fleet gathered att he end of ESB even though we never saw her, and finally she was present when the Rebellion gathered to make a calculated attack on the DS II in ROTJ. (We also have no idea where she was during the 4-5 years between ANH and ESB in the new EU. I’m sure they’ll make some comics and novels to fill that gap soon.) Considering how the character was introduced in ROTJ, I think all of this makes a pretty decent Disney canon timeline.

Tobar said:

Mon Mothma is easy to explain.

The one that is/would be hard to explain is Biggs.

If that is Biggs then we do actually have a continuity problem on our hands. When Luke runs into him at Tosche Station he states his intentions of jumping ship and trying to join the Rebellion. He doesn’t supposedly join the Rebellion until sometime after that before Luke makes it to the Hidden Base.

Now, some will say that it’s a deleted scene and therefore doesn’t count. HOWEVER, it’s been officially stated that the novelizations of the films are canon and that scene is included in the novelization of Star Wars.

Theories?

I’ll never understand why they ever said that the novels are canon )unless its a misunderstanding and they meant the new-EU novels and NOT the movie adaptations). If they are then Owen is Obi-Wan’s brother and Padme married Bail Organa.