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Mithrandir said:

Tobar said:

Mithrandir said:

Oh, and polished floors to the Empire are an addition that comes straight from TFA. OT Star Destroyers and sets had dull floors I think. (everything reflective screams non-used universe to me in star wars).

Looks pretty shiny to me:

=P

That’s reflective, but not 100% polished. It does look used. Compare it with TFA.

Which is over 30 years later…

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So…do you think they’ll have a logical explanation for why Mon Mothma appears in this movie when her character didn’t appear until ROTJ? And maybe an explanation why she’s wearing the same clothes all these years?

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Why was Lando wearing Han’s clothes? Why was Rey wearing pretty much the same outfit she had on in the Force Vision? Why does Darth Vader have different helmets throughout the saga? Why are there no bras in space? And most importantly why are there pants in space? Seems like in a futuristic world pants would obsolete.

We will never know the answers to these compelling…these vital questions.

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She was in ROTS played by the same actress wearing different clothes. Obi Wan wore the same clothes for six movies (even when he was meant to be on the run under a slightly assumed name).

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Do we think this droid is Alan Tudyk’s mocap character?

Looks like a potential nod to 8t88 from Jedi Knight.

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joefavs said:

I like how they’ve just redressed a subway station, or something similar, for this scene. It has a nice gritty and realistic feel to it, while still looking like something from the SW universe.

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Bingowings said:

She was in ROTS played by the same actress wearing different clothes.

The prequel trilogy is stupid.

Again, I suppose there’s some “logical” explanation why Mon Mothma does not appear at the Death Star attack run briefing, does not appear as the attack on the Death Star is unfolding, does not appear at the medal ceremony, does not appear anywhere on Hoth…

But now, hey! She’s hanging out in a leadership role in the Rebel alliance in a movie scene that predates the 1977 movie.

Disney did not waste any money on continuity experts.

Obi Wan wore the same clothes for six movies (even when he was meant to be on the run under a slightly assumed name).

The prequel trilogy is stupid.

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Looks WAY better than anything from The Force Awakens. I can excuse any use of nostalgia factor, because this movie does take place at the time of A New Hope. It’s different than just recycling ideas and making another Death Star. I’m excited for it! Gareth Edwards did an absolutely fantastic job with the 2014 Godzilla, and the shot of the Death Star casting a shadow on the Star Destroyers is just amazing. Really looking forward to his direction and seeing a real Star Wars movie.

~The original trilogy is my life… kind of~

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That_OT_Ruler said:

Looks WAY better than anything from The Force Awakens. I can excuse any use of nostalgia factor, because this movie does take place at the time of A New Hope. It’s different than just recycling ideas and making another Death Star. I’m excited for it! Gareth Edwards did an absolutely fantastic job with the 2014 Godzilla, and the shot of the Death Star casting a shadow on the Star Destroyers is just amazing. Really looking forward to his direction and seeing a real Star Wars movie.

Agree. It does look a heeeeeeeell of a lot better than TFA. I am willing to overlook the Mon Mothma break in continuity.

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I recall a real Star Wars movie coming out not that long ago…maybe it was a dream.

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Lord Haseo said:
Seems like in a futuristic world pants would obsolete.

The first SW trailer said “somewhere in space this may all be happening right now” but the title card of all the movies say “a long time ago in a galaxy far far away” and now I’m not sure if there’s a clear verdict on the chronology of pants in Star Wars.

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Smoking Lizard said:
The prequel trilogy is stupid.

Again, I suppose there’s some “logical” explanation why Mon Mothma does not appear at the Death Star attack run briefing, does not appear as the attack on the Death Star is unfolding, does not appear at the medal ceremony, does not appear anywhere on Hoth…

But now, hey! She’s hanging out in a leadership role in the Rebel alliance in a movie scene that predates the 1977 movie.

Disney did not waste any money on continuity experts.

Well to be fair that’s a problem that originates in the OT though it is a minor one at best.

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Smoking Lizard said:

I am willing to overlook the Mon Mothma break in continuity.

Why do you see Mon Mothma’s presence on Yavin 4 as a continuity issue? Maybe she gets evacuated to another location for safety when it becomes clear the Death Star is on its way.

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God damn this looks incredible.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Lord Haseo said:

pittrek said:
No clue who Darth Zannah, Lumiya or Darh Cogness are, but that’s not my point. I think it’s not a wise “dramatic” decision to have a young female hero in the main movies and AT THE SAME TIME to have a young female hero as the lead character in the spin-off movie. It’s like if every Star Trek show had a young overacting Canadian playing the captain. I just hope her sidekicks won’t be a young black guy and a “cute” non-humanoid droid.

Well my point was that gender doesn’t seem to matter when the character is competent so it doesn’t matter.

I absolutely agree. But that’s not what I was trying to say. Back to the Star Trek example - the TOS captain is an energetic Canadian playing an energetic American, the TNG captain is a middle aged balding Englishman playing a father figure-type Frenchman, DS9 has a black captain who is an ACTUAL father, VOY has a female captain who is a mix between a mother figure and a calm logical scientist (except the episodes when she’s Ripley), and Enterprise has a Kirk rip-off. If you go to Star Wars, the original trilogy’s lead is a young guy and he’s supported buy an “older brother”-type character, a wise old mentor, a princess, an alien and robots. The prequels have even more diversity. But now we get TFA which has a young woman as the main hero followed by Rogue One which has AGAIN a young woman as the main character. They’re just repeating the formula too soon - that’s the only thing which I was trying to say.

Well but that’s the whole problem - the ONLY reason they’re doing it as a E4 prequel is that they want to use pre-existing things well known to the general public. It’s a business decision, not an artistic decision. That’s the whole reason why these spin-off movies do exist.

If it ends up being a good film why would it matter they’re trying to hit our nostalgia g-spot?

I’m not saying it will not be a good film - I hope it WILL be a GREAT film. But I still am not happy they’re “trying to hit our nostalgia g-spot”. That doesn’t say I won’t enjoy it if it will be well written and well acted, that just mean I would prefer something new. Saying that I prefer apples to oranges doesn’t mean I don’t like oranges 😃

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corellian77 said:

Smoking Lizard said:

I am willing to overlook the Mon Mothma break in continuity.

Why do you see Mon Mothma’s presence on Yavin 4 as a continuity issue? Maybe she gets evacuated to another location for safety when it becomes clear the Death Star is on its way.

Yes. This is sci-fi / fantasy. They will definitely find a nice explanation which won’t be a real problem.

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Smoking Lizard said:

Bingowings said:

She was in ROTS played by the same actress wearing different clothes.

The prequel trilogy is stupid.

Again, I suppose there’s some “logical” explanation why Mon Mothma does not appear at the Death Star attack run briefing, does not appear as the attack on the Death Star is unfolding, does not appear at the medal ceremony, does not appear anywhere on Hoth…

But now, hey! She’s hanging out in a leadership role in the Rebel alliance in a movie scene that predates the 1977 movie.

Disney did not waste any money on continuity experts.

Maybe she leaves to Coruscant after the battle. Maybe she’s requested for an emergency session of the Imperial Senate where some good old Emperor decides that due to the Empire being attacked it is about time to dissolve the Congress. Maybe.

But that’s just what I would have done to solve the continuity issue. Perhaps they just do not care.

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ZkinandBonez said:

joefavs said:

I like how they’ve just redressed a subway station, or something similar, for this scene. It has a nice gritty and realistic feel to it, while still looking like something from the SW universe.

Yeah I think that is canary wharf lol.

No wonder the underground is constantly closing on the weekends!

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Mon Mothma’s been a founding member of the Rebel Alliance for as long as there’s been an expanded universe.

Please try to remember it’s a Rebel Alliance. It’s made up of a lot of different cells across the galaxy. Mothma was probably running a different division before they were all united in ROTJ.

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pittrek said:

Lord Haseo said:

pittrek said:
No clue who Darth Zannah, Lumiya or Darh Cogness are, but that’s not my point. I think it’s not a wise “dramatic” decision to have a young female hero in the main movies and AT THE SAME TIME to have a young female hero as the lead character in the spin-off movie. It’s like if every Star Trek show had a young overacting Canadian playing the captain. I just hope her sidekicks won’t be a young black guy and a “cute” non-humanoid droid.

Well my point was that gender doesn’t seem to matter when the character is competent so it doesn’t matter.

But now we get TFA which has a young woman as the main hero followed by Rogue One which has AGAIN a young woman as the main character. They’re just repeating the formula too soon - that’s the only thing which I was trying to say.

Well if it makes you feel any better Rouge One takes place WAAAAYY before TFA. So it’s not like it’s even close on the Star Wars timeline. And if we compare the gender of the leads in Star Wars films it’s actually equal. 2 Males and two Females.

I’m not saying it will not be a good film - I hope it WILL be a GREAT film. But I still am not happy they’re “trying to hit our nostalgia g-spot”. That doesn’t say I won’t enjoy it if it will be well written and well acted, that just mean I would prefer something new. Saying that I prefer apples to oranges doesn’t mean I don’t like oranges 😃

If it’s a good film and they don’t go overboard on the nostalgia milking like TFA did then I don’t see why them playing to our nostalgia would be a bad thing.

On a side note you’re not going to get anything that is completely alien to the OT unless they make an Old Republic film or if they make a film that takes place at least 100 years after ROTJ.

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Mithrandir said:

Maybe she leaves to Coruscant after the battle. Maybe she’s requested for an emergency session of the Imperial Senate where some good old Emperor decides that due to the Empire being attacked it is about time to dissolve the Congress. Maybe.

The Emperor dissolved the Senate before the attack on the Death Star.

But that’s just what I would have done to solve the continuity issue. Perhaps they just do not care.

This. You are probably correct.

Tobar said:

Mon Mothma’s been a founding member of the Rebel Alliance for as long as there’s been an expanded universe.

True. Thankfully, Disney expunged the expanded universe, so they still need a logical explanation for the inclusion of Mon Mothma in this timeline. And by “need” I mean they need a logical explanation so that the story makes sense, if they care about that at all anymore.

Please try to remember it’s a Rebel Alliance. It’s made up of a lot of different cells across the galaxy. Mothma was probably running a different division before they were all united in ROTJ.

This is not correct. In the original 1977 movie, the Empire is very clearly obsessed with finding the hidden Rebel base. Base. Singular. Not bases. See here: “This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Kenobi, it will soon see the end of the Rebellion.” - Darth Vader.

Unless, that is, there were other Rebel bases that Vader and the rest of the Empire were not aware of…and that existed despite not being mentioned in the original movies or scripts.

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pittrek said:

I absolutely agree. But that’s not what I was trying to say. Back to the Star Trek example - the TOS captain is an energetic Canadian playing an energetic American, the TNG captain is a middle aged balding Englishman playing a father figure-type Frenchman, DS9 has a black captain who is an ACTUAL father, VOY has a female captain who is a mix between a mother figure and a calm logical scientist (except the episodes when she’s Ripley), and Enterprise has a Kirk rip-off. If you go to Star Wars, the original trilogy’s lead is a young guy and he’s supported buy an “older brother”-type character, a wise old mentor, a princess, an alien and robots. The prequels have even more diversity. But now we get TFA which has a young woman as the main hero followed by Rogue One which has AGAIN a young woman as the main character. They’re just repeating the formula too soon - that’s the only thing which I was trying to say.

We have no idea what Felicity Jones’s characterization is going to be like, though. In fact, going by this trailer, I’d say it looks likely that she’s going to be quite a different sort of character from Rey (jaded, embittered revolutionary as opposed to hopeful, idealistic Force-adept). And going by your own Star Trek analogy, the age difference between Daisy Ridley and Felicity Jones is almost exactly the same as the one between Shatner and Stewart when they started their respective series.

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Smoking Lizard said:

Mithrandir said:

Maybe she leaves to Coruscant after the battle. Maybe she’s requested for an emergency session of the Imperial Senate where some good old Emperor decides that due to the Empire being attacked it is about time to dissolve the Congress. Maybe.

The Emperor dissolved the Senate before the attack on the Death Star.

Well, this film does take place before the attack on the Death Star. So there are plenty of potentially good explanations for why Mon Mothma would be on Yavin IV for a scene in RO, but not during the events of ANH.

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canofhumdingers said:

you know what made me geek out more than anything? They had the “X” shaped antenna on top of the star destroyer bridge standing upright like it did in the original film - it was laid flat in the subsequent movies. But the fact they’re paying attention to those kind of tiny details is AWESOME.

But yes, looks pretty great. The one thing that has me a little… worried (for lack of a better word) is the martial arts. That kinda feels out of place in a film set right before the original. Will certainly wait and see how it integrates in the full film, but it was the one thing that kinda stood out in a not-so-good way in the trailer. Everything else looks friggin fantastic!!

Also got the storm trooper silver ANH grills right, something GL couldn’t be bothered with even for the SE of the same movie.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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ZkinandBonez said:

Well, this film does take place before the attack on the Death Star. So there are plenty of potentially good explanations for why Mon Mothma would be on Yavin IV for a scene in RO, but not during the events of ANH.

Right. And that’s why I’m hoping that this movie will somehow logically explain her presence in this storyline when she does not appear in ANH or TESB. If it’s logical, fine. I’m all in. But if they just add her so that we have another familiar face for nostalgia reasons, well, that’s BS.