Lord Haseo said:
John Doom said:
-he can’t take control of the situation;
Exactly what situation are you referring to.
Whenever he loses his mind, when can’t stand facing Ray or his father, when he needs to rely on his Master.
-he has to rely on his supposed Master;
Well he hasn’t completed his training so of course he would seek guidance when faced with failure.
Sure, but it doesn’t help that, together with everything else I said, makes him less and less of a threat.
-that FO-guy doesn’t respect his authority and is in no way scared of him;
HUX: Careful, Ren, that your personal interest does not interfere with orders from Supreme Leader Snoke.
KYLO REN: I want, that map. For your sake, I suggest you get it.
Hux doesn’t say shit after this.
It’s enough already, but there’s also that (only?) other scene where they meet again before Snork and he looks amused to see him hopeless for his failure.
-he’s deep inside conflicted;
So? Vader had conflict as well and unlike Vader when Kylo is presented with a chance to do something decent he chooses the darkness.
Vader looks conflicted only in ROTJ, when the main villain is now the Emperor. Combined with everything above, this further makes kylo less of a threat.
-he looks visibly scared for his failures;
I wonder how Vader looked underneath the mask when Luke defeated him. I’m sure he didn’t have a blank face. The only thing we see of Vader is his hand is stretched towards Luke…as if he’s asking for mercy.
Never being able to see him scared was what made him, even if apparently, more menacing.
-he doesn’t exort any information from Ray, who even menages to escape under his nose;
Technically it was the Storm Troopers fault she escaped but whatever.
I know this, but I think he should’ve been under his authority, which would make him responsible for the way her custody was set and handled. Or maybe not, maybe I’m wrong on that 😄 He did go insane after finding out she escaped.
-he’s wounded by Chewie;
Yeah, he just killed his father. He was swept up in the moment and didn’t mind his surroundings. Something that Vader wouldn’t do but then again Vader has a shitload more experience and training that Kylo does.
Why do you keep saying Kylo has less experience? I know this, but it’s things like this that lessens his role as the main villain.
-he’s wounded by Finn, a generic ex-FO soldier;
Actually Finn was at the top of his class but that injury was due in part to the bow caster wound but more so to his arrogance. Within 8 seconds he could have killed Finn but chose to prolong the fight and in turn he was injured.
and if Kylo had not been so pompous in his abilities he would have fled and initiated a conflict when his abilities weren’t hampered.
Finn was also a janitor on his first battle 😄
In the end, even if Finn was a trained soldier, he still should’ve not been able to even injury the same guy who was able to freeze Poe with a single hand. Call it being reckless, it further lessens his role as the main villian.
I’m not saying he should’ve been able to do everything above, but he wasn’t an enough threat to be considered a proper villain, a reason to worry for the main charcter’s life :\
Well considering that he’s not supposed to be a fully realized villain yet (Like Luke wasn’t supposed to be a fully realized hero in SW or ESB) he did surprisingly well especially given his lack of training and experience when compared to Vader.
It doesn’t matter, he just doesn’t work as the main villain, because he’s not an actual threat to the main characters. As I said, I’m ok with him the way he is, but somone else should’ve played the role of the main villain, someone who could be seen as an actual threat.
I forgot to mention that even Poe doesn’t get him seriously. I know, “Leia and Tarkin” and so on (we already discussed this one in another thread), but add this to everything I said above, and you get the picture.