All really great ideas! nesboy, I’m curious then what role will Maz even play in the film? They go to meet her, but then we barely see her? I’m interested as to how that will be played out.
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- Rey will have the lightsaber flashback and will run out of the tavern immediately afterwards (no Maz pointlessly explaining to the audience that the lightsaber was calling to her)
I’m sorry but I’m stealing this idea. If I do post it for the public I’ll give you credit though
honestly I think TFA has a very good soundtrack, it was just drowned out
Agreed. Especially when it comes to Snoke’s Theme.
All really great ideas! nesboy, I’m curious then what role will Maz even play in the film? They go to meet her, but then we barely see her? I’m interested as to how that will be played out.
Thank you! As for her role, in the film they go to ask her for help delivering BB-8 and she refuses and tells Han to stop running from “the fight” and return to Leia (implies that he should go to the Resistance). I still intend to have this dialogue in the film as well as it doesn’t distract from the film or slow the pacing down. I need to rewatch the film to 100% determine what is staying and going, but the scene where she shows/gives the lightsaber to Finn will definitely stay for continuity reasons.
Finn will talk about how The First Order can destroy them all and are unstoppable, Maz will tell him who can take him to the outer rim. Maz putting on goggles and crawling on a table will be entirely cut out. I am iffy on the monologue Finn has to Rey (really corny IMO) as well “So I ran, right into you, and you laid eyes on me like no one had before” and intend on cutting that down. I will have to play around with it and see how things flow, but I’m not entirely decided on how to implement the side story of Finn leaving, but I do like that his character does try to leave instead of just straight-cut turning into a good guy.
- Rey will have the lightsaber flashback and will run out of the tavern immediately afterwards (no Maz pointlessly explaining to the audience that the lightsaber was calling to her)
I’m sorry but I’m stealing this idea. If I do post it for the public I’ll give you credit though
honestly I think TFA has a very good soundtrack, it was just drowned out
Agreed. Especially when it comes to Snoke’s Theme.
No apology needed. I’m glad that you like it enough to want to use that idea.
I think after collecting enough feedback and criticism, I think I’m going to do something similar to what Adywan did with his Revisited edit: make two fan edits, one that is more pure and would please purists, and the other featuring radical changes and major edits.
~The original trilogy is my life… kind of~
Some ideas of mine, that might be too hard, but I think they would be cool to implement. Of course, I don’t think the film needs improving, but I think some edits might be nice. My idea is to make the film maybe an hour and a half, and cut a lot. Some ideas for cutting are:
-Cut most of Poe’s “too cool for school attitude” so the audience connects to him less and doesn’t believe he is a main character.
-Cut Captain Phasma being in the spotlight. Now she is merely an extra.
-Cut General Hux, as most of his scenes centre around Starkiller Base and Snoke.
-Cut Grand Master Snoke, this may be hard because of the Kylo is Han’s son reveal, but it might be doable.
-Cut Starkiller Base entirely. Now it is just a base for the First Order, not a superweapon.
-Cut any scene based around getting into Starkiller Base and whatnot.
-Cut Poe returning, now he truly is dead. This will be impossible as a trilogy, but my edit is based around making it sort of standalone.
-Cut the attack on Starkiller by the Resistance.
-Cut Finn being loaded onto the rescue ship. Now he is dead.
-Cut Rey meeting up with Luke Skywalker, end the film with her leaving that planet that the Resistance is on.
Obviously this would be quite a heavy cut, just to make a different type of film, not because I think it needs improving.
Not enough people read the EU.
Obviously this would be quite a heavy cut, just to make a different type of film, not because I think it needs improving.
Damn, and people complained about my edits. These are some huge heavy cuts that’ll be very hard to do.
~The original trilogy is my life… kind of~
The music I was gonna use for the intro, was the unused opening for The Empire Strikes Back, part of the opening music from A New Hope, and part of the Asteroid field music from The Empire Strikes Back. It’ll be a mix of the three. Trust me, you’ll like it.
Here’s the first part of the song:
https://youtu.be/bCzGXiAWuoI?t=1m26s
1:26 to 2:29Second part of the song:
https://youtu.be/j1pf6s8MGrs?t=2m18s
2:18 to 2:40Third part of the song:
https://youtu.be/vVulaCFNL4A?t=3m42s
3:42 to 3:55Fourth part of the song:
https://youtu.be/vVulaCFNL4A?t=14s
0:14 to 0:40Fifth part of the song:
https://youtu.be/vVulaCFNL4A?t=1m40s
1:40 to 2:03And so on. My soundtrack overhaul is a mix and match of all the music from all six films.
Songs have lyrics.
Obviously this would be quite a heavy cut, just to make a different type of film, not because I think it needs improving.
Damn, and people complained about my edits. These are some huge heavy cuts that’ll be very hard to do.
Agreed but he did make it clear that it won’t be used in a future trilogy viewing obviously so I don’t have much of a problem with it since it’s more of a interesting expirmental edit that might be a fun watch.
Obviously this would be quite a heavy cut, just to make a different type of film, not because I think it needs improving.
Damn, and people complained about my edits. These are some huge heavy cuts that’ll be very hard to do.
Agreed but he did make it clear that it won’t be used in a future trilogy viewing obviously so I don’t have much of a problem with it since it’s more of a interesting expirmental edit that might be a fun watch.
Yes, my edit is just experimental, to see how many cuts I can get away with doing.
Not enough people read the EU.
i just was reading this thread:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/What-are-your-thoughts-on-this-guys-suggested-change-to-The-Force-Awakens/id/49029
i think that i may have figured out how to make this work.
I think that if it is done right this could really make the movie better than what it already is IMHO. it is definitely on my list of edits i would like to make to TFA.
the one thing that drives me batty in TFA is how Finn get captured by the Rathtar and doesn’t get eaten by these terribly “dangerous” creatures. i mean we are given this whole scene where Finn, Rey, Han and Chewie are talking about how they are so dangerous, and how the whole crew of Han’s new freighter were killed by them. Then when one of our heroes is grabbed by one of them he manages to not die???
“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”
Maybe if the door could be brought down faster it would also serve underline how fast Rey’s reflexes are.
Jackpumpkinhead said:
the one thing that drives me batty in TFA is how Finn get captured by the Rathtar and doesn’t get eaten by these terribly “dangerous” creatures. i
There’s an establishing shot of one of the Rathtars dragging one of the members of Kanjiklub or the other gang before Finn get’s dragged off by one of them.
Maybe if the door could be brought down faster it would also serve underline how fast Rey’s reflexes are.
I think it’s already easily understood the way it is.
Jackpumpkinhead said:
the one thing that drives me batty in TFA is how Finn get captured by the Rathtar and doesn’t get eaten by these terribly “dangerous” creatures. iThere’s an establishing shot of one of the Rathtars dragging one of the members of Kanjiklub or the other gang before Finn get’s dragged off by one of them.
your right, however, i just think the fact that Finn survives as long as he does is a bit of a stretch.
“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”
Jackpumpkinhead said:
the one thing that drives me batty in TFA is how Finn get captured by the Rathtar and doesn’t get eaten by these terribly “dangerous” creatures. iThere’s an establishing shot of one of the Rathtars dragging one of the members of Kanjiklub or the other gang before Finn get’s dragged off by one of them.
your right, however, i just think the fact that Finn survives as long as he does is a bit of a stretch.
Technically we don’t see what the Rathtars do to those who they capture but don’t immediately eat so it’s not really a stretch at all.
There’s some dialogue throughout the film regarding Kylo Ren that I think would be wise to cut. Particularly when he’s talking to Lor San Tekka.
“Look how old you’ve become”
“Something far worse has happened to you”
“You know what I’ve come for”
That’s all well and good, but his responses after that are kinda cringeworthy, in my opinion.
“I know where you come from, before you called yourself Kylo Ren”
“The First Order rose from the Dark Side, you did not”
“You can not deny the truth that is your family”
It all seems like clunky exposition to me.
I’d also trim when Snoke says “the droid we seek is on the Millenium Falcon, in the hands of your father… Han Solo”. I’d cut it right after he says “your father”, the Han Solo part seems clunky.
The only line that seems too on the nose is “You cannot deny the truth that is your family”. The rest of it is fine though.
EDIT:
That “Han…Solo” line has to go though. I also want to remove the “Bring her…to…me” line. Seems like they were trying way too hard with that one
I would agree. I liked the film overall, to the point where I personally wouldn’t find doing an edit for myself worth it, but that “In the hands of your father… Han Solo.” felt weird to me even upon my first viewing in the theater. I think cutting the line after “your father” would be wise.
I would agree. I liked the film overall, to the point where I personally wouldn’t find doing an edit for myself worth it, but that “In the hands of your father… Han Solo.” felt weird to me even upon my first viewing in the theater. I think cutting the line after “your father” would be wise.
I agree that the line is a bit wonky. And I also don’t tend to want (or want to make) fanedited films for things that I consider nitpicking. It’s going to be weird having a Star Wars film that I watch by taking the pressed disc out of its official packaging and navigate its menu to play. But I’ll still be curious to see what people come up with for more substantial edits.
But as for the Kylo Ren “clunky exposition”, I don’t think it should be cut at all. While it’s not award winning dialogue (most of the Star Wars franchise is not), it’s the first suggestion that he comes from the other side and is not exactly a peer with those he is shown aligned with. Could be smoother but shouldn’t be cut, IMO. It’s easy to think it’s unnecessary when you go into the theater knowing that Ren is probably or definitely Han and Leia’s kid. But for everyone else, it teases his background.
I would agree. I liked the film overall, to the point where I personally wouldn’t find doing an edit for myself worth it, but that “In the hands of your father… Han Solo.” felt weird to me even upon my first viewing in the theater. I think cutting the line after “your father” would be wise.
I agree that the line is a bit wonky. And I also don’t tend to want (or want to make) fanedited films for things that I consider nitpicking. It’s going to be weird having a Star Wars film that I watch by taking the pressed disc out of its official packaging and navigate its menu to play. But I’ll still be curious to see what people come up with for more substantial edits.
But as for the Kylo Ren “clunky exposition”, I don’t think it should be cut at all. While it’s not award winning dialogue (most of the Star Wars franchise is not), it’s the first suggestion that he comes from the other side and is not exactly a peer with those he is shown aligned with. Could be smoother but shouldn’t be cut, IMO. It’s easy to think it’s unnecessary when you go into the theater knowing that Ren is probably or definitely Han and Leia’s kid. But for everyone else, it teases his background.
I guess that’s fair. I did have it spoiled for me, so that might be why it felt redundant.
I wouldn’t change Ren exposition and dialogues. It’s fine that there is barely no suspense about who he’s related to, otherwise it would be quite ridiculous. The main issues of the movie are internal ones, cutting a few weird dialogues would not deeply improve it, but that’s a start. The first things that should be removed in any subsequent fanedit would be the distracting fan service bits: space chess, Luke’s training ball, 12/14 parsec raid. It’s been 3 months since I’ve seen the movie so I don’t recall more little annoying bits; maybe the second Han/Leia dialogue which seemed forced and badly written, and the “who’s in charge Phasma” that can easily be cut entirely. There is also the map puzzle thing which was too long. Anyway, right now I’m more willing to watch a “conservative” fan edit (with only a few minutes cut) because we still don’t know what’s coming with Ep VIII & IX.
I personally was very happy with The Force Awakens, and I dont think it is in need of trimming and reshaping in the same way the prequels are.
For me, I watch the Star Wars movies to be transported to an alien galaxy - but a believable one. The authenticity of what is onscreen - the props, the costumes, the sets, the fx - and the beauty of the cinematography forms a major part of my appreciation.
The elements of The Force Awakens that I enjoyed less are those moments where that authenticity wavered. In particular, the CGI of the Rathtars, Snoke and Maz.
The Rathtars are a bit goofy but I can bear with them. That sequence comes right out of a comic book and is the exact sort of scenario that Han and Chewie would find themselves in week after week on the pages of Marvel.
Maz I would have preferred to have been played by a midget with prosthetics and CGI augmentations, but Lupita Nyong did a good enough job of making her a likable, if not a wholly convincing, character.
Snoke, I have to say, is where the movie proverbially ‘shit the bed’. It’s just not good enough fx to pass as authentic, and really shows up as a CG construct. Particularly disappointing as this character could definitely have been played by an actor in prosthetics, and when you think of all the great veteran actors we have in the UK who could have breathed proper life into Snoke it comes across as a missed opportunity. I did read somewhere that the Snoke fx appear rather better on blu ray than on the cinema screen, so i’ll wait and see once the blu is released, but I would be really pleased if Snoke were played by a live actor in the next movie. Short of a massive Adywan style undertaking to refilm an actor as Snoke and paste him into the TFA scenes then this issue is unfixable.
But those rather small issues aside I felt that TFA did have the requisite sense of place and authenticity. Rewatching Looper as well a few weeks ago I was also taken with how elegant the cinematography and pacing is in that film too, which gives me great hope for Rian Johnson’s take on the next instalment.
i have a feeling that the the next movie will start with a Star Destroyer sending a probe down to an icy planet, then a space battle chasing the falcon, then Luke training someone in a jungle, then someone being frozen, then a light saber battle, hand cut off, then end credits…
In the end, another reboot.
If TFA’s originality is the single biggest complaint then why would you think they would go about rehashing stuff (especially so overtly) from ESB? Not even TFA was that overt in it’s mirroring STAR WARS. Secondly, WRONG THREAD. And lastly, it would be a “remake” not a “reboot”.
Lol I knew that would fire some people up.