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Lord Haseo said:

LexX said:
not my fault people are attacking left and right on my OPINIONS of just a MOVIE. Sorry if it got to your feelings.

Over-react much? This is a weird thread, better lock it down if someone doesn’t like something in the movie, OMG!

Seems like you’re the one who’s in your feelings mate.

The latter quote was sarcasm mate.

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John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

He seemed like good ol’ Han to me. Trying to talk his way out of certain death, making wise cracks and when one of them sees BB-8 and assumes Rey and Finn are on board he tries to save them by acting as if they didn’t exist. Sounds like Han to me.

I’m not saying one shouldn’t change his behavior in his life, but I myself think in that scene he acts more like some kind of comedian than the cold-blooded cowboy of the OT, the one who shoots first, asks questions later. He should’ve just said “Boring conversation anyway” and blasted his way to the Falcon 😄 , instead it reminds me of his deleted line in ROTJ, that is Han trying to do an Indiana Jones’ impression or something :\

He was surrounded on both sides so anything like that would ended in certain death.

LexX said:
The latter quote was sarcasm mate.

Well seeing as how scornful the first quote is it was kind of hard to tell.

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Well, had LF wanted to have that kind of “OT Han” I described, they would’ve just written the scene differently: he might’ve been cornered rather than surrounded, with the two factions in front of him or at his sides. Then he could’ve used the right timing to reach for a door behind him and so on.
Again, I’m not saying they should’ve done this, just that, if they wanted to, they could’ve done it. I guess they were more for a comedy scene than for character consistency, which is something not everyone liked (including myself), but it’s not a crime either.

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John Doom said:
I guess they were more for a comedy scene than for character consistency, which is something not everyone liked (including myself), but it’s not a crime either.

I think him trying to worm his way out of a situation like he did in STAR WARS and like he did in Return of The Jedi is consistent with his character. They opted to do both and I think it worked fine.

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MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY protogonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
I guess they were more for a comedy scene than for character consistency, which is something not everyone liked (including myself), but it’s not a crime either.

I think him trying to worm his way out of a situation like he did in STAR WARS and like he did in Return of The Jedi is consistent with his character. They opted to do both and I think it worked fine.

By consistent with SW you mean him being a cold-blooded cowboy, and consistent with ROTJ being playful? If so, I say he’s clearly not cold-blooded in TFA (though that’s the case for ROTJ too), also I don’t remember him joking in the OT like that when facing a danger: I remember him being either serious or playful yet scared to death in that kind of situations throughout the trilogy.
Which scenes are you referring to? I could be wrong, but as I said I don’t feel there’s much consistency with Han’s character in that scene.

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY protogonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

Proto-agonist.

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Lord Haseo said:

LexX said:
not my fault people are attacking left and right on my OPINIONS of just a MOVIE. Sorry if it got to your feelings.

Seems like you’re the one who’s in your feelings mate.

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Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY prot A gonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

Ok… there is a spelling mistake, my bad. It happens sometimes when you’re not writting in your mother tongue…

John Doom said:

Well, had LF wanted to have that kind of “OT Han” I described, they would’ve just written the scene differently

It seems that a few here think the movie is to be seen as some form of historical reality, as if there were no screenwriters who have made very questionable choices. “Han could not do it, he was surrounded on both sides”… gosh, this is huge… the more some people are trying to defend the worst parts of this movie, the dumber it goes…

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TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

LexX said:
not my fault people are attacking left and right on my OPINIONS of just a MOVIE. Sorry if it got to your feelings.

Seems like you’re the one who’s in your feelings mate.

And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.

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John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
I guess they were more for a comedy scene than for character consistency, which is something not everyone liked (including myself), but it’s not a crime either.

I think him trying to worm his way out of a situation like he did in STAR WARS and like he did in Return of The Jedi is consistent with his character. They opted to do both and I think it worked fine.

By consistent with SW you mean him being a cold-blooded cowboy, and consistent with ROTJ being playful?
If so, I say he’s clearly not cold-blooded in TFA

No I mean him trying to talk his way out of a situation. He’s not supposed to be cold blooded because him going from a cold blooded and selfish person with a good heart to an actual good person was his arc in the OT

I remember him being either serious or playful yet scared to death in that kind of situations throughout the trilogy.
Which scenes are you referring to? I could be wrong, but as I said I don’t feel there’s much consistency with Han’s character in that scene.

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Han Solo: How we doin’?
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Han Solo: That bad, huh?

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Han Solo: Doesn’t sound so bad.
C-3PO: In his belly you will find a new definition of pain and suffering as you are slowly digested over a thousand years.
Han Solo: On second thought, let’s pass on that, huh?

MalàStrana said:
the more some people are trying to defend the worst parts of this movie, the dumber it goes…

Even if you disagree with my points I think trying to make an argument is far better than just being condescending. Though I’d rather someone else try to make your points for you. Saves me the trouble of trying to decipher your statements.

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John Doom said:

By consistent with SW you mean him being a cold-blooded cowboy, and consistent with ROTJ being playful? If so, I say he’s clearly not cold-blooded in TFA

You mean apart from the fact he punched one of the pirates and then threw him directly into the path of one of the Rathtars? I’d say that was a pretty cold blooded killer move to do

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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
I remember him being either serious or playful yet scared to death in that kind of situations throughout the trilogy.
Which scenes are you referring to? I could be wrong, but as I said I don’t feel there’s much consistency with Han’s character in that scene.

Han Solo: Together again, huh?
Luke: Wouldn’t miss it.
Han Solo: How we doin’?
Luke: Same as always.
Han Solo: That bad, huh?

C-3PO: His high exaltedness, the Great Jabba the Hutt, has decreed that you are to be terminated immediately.
Han Solo: Good, I hate long waits.
C-3PO: You will therefore be taken to the Dune Sea, and cast into the pit of Carkoon, the nesting place of the all-powerful Sarlaac.
Han Solo: Doesn’t sound so bad.
C-3PO: In his belly you will find a new definition of pain and suffering as you are slowly digested over a thousand years.
Han Solo: On second thought, let’s pass on that, huh?

I thought you were referring to that scene in ROTJ, but as I said, even though he acts playful and jokes, he does look scared, not fearless (which is always true throughout the OT when Han is facing an immediate danger), while in that TFA’s scene he’s clearly not, which is why I feel his behavior seems off, with him surrounded and yet even mocking his armed speakers, playing dumb with them. It seems too much to me for his character, though I guess it makes for a good laugh.

adywan said:

John Doom said:

By consistent with SW you mean him being a cold-blooded cowboy, and consistent with ROTJ being playful? If so, I say he’s clearly not cold-blooded in TFA

You mean apart from the fact he punched one of the pirates and then threw him directly into the path of one of the Rathtars? I’d say that was a pretty cold blooded killer move to do

With “cold-blooded” I meant his “shoot, ask questions later” attitude when in danger, rather than standing and talking (like he does in TFA, instead): killing pirates after an escalation does not apply to what I meant, it’s more like “badass” 😄

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MalàStrana said:

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY prot A gonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

Ok… there is a spelling mistake, my bad. It happens sometimes when you’re not writting in your mother tongue…

I was joking and sort of referencing Plinkett, and I didn’t really think about the mistake at all, so no harm meant. writting lol 😉

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Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY prot A gonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

Ok… there is a spelling mistake, my bad. It happens sometimes when you’re not writting in your mother tongue…

I was joking and sort of referencing Plinkett, and I didn’t really think about the mistake at all, so no harm meant. writting lol 😉

Writ…ting?

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John Doom said:
while in that TFA’s scene he’s clearly not

That’s not true. When he tells one of them “I didn’t make a deal with Kanjiklub” not only does he have a semi scared look on his face, the tone of his voice also has a hint of fear in it.

It seems too much to me for his character, though I guess it makes for a good laugh.

Well how I see it not the traits he’s exhibiting is indicative of all 3 traits he would show in the OT. I had almost forgotten about how he literally threw a guy into the path of a Rathtar. But it seems as though we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

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TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

Dek Rollins said:

MalàStrana said:

… in a scene where he’s more a goofy GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY prot A gonist than the legendary Han Solo…

Prota…gahnist?

Ok… there is a spelling mistake, my bad. It happens sometimes when you’re not writing in your mother tongue…

I was joking and sort of referencing Plinkett, and I didn’t really think about the mistake at all, so no harm meant. writting lol 😉

Writ…ting?

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It was a pretty cool movie.

I think the biggest annoyance was how everyone could see Starkiller Base blow up Hosnian Prime (I didn’t think it was Coruscant, but they could have made it more clear) from ostensibly lightyears away. I can forgive sound in space and whatnot, but damn that one was bad.

Beyond that, the plot was definitely something we’d seen before several times at this point, but that was made less annoying by having new characters to invest ourselves in and enjoy. It was definitely a “safe choice” they made so they could reintroduce us to the universe. I feel like a lot of complaints about this thing or that thing not being explicitly explained will be absolved in the coming films.

I actually really liked Kylo Ren. I think people just wanted a Darth Vader copy (which you know people would have complained about) and what they got was an unstable wannabe, which is the point of the character.

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Tyrphanax said:
I think people just wanted a Darth Vader copy (which you know people would have complained about)

I’ve been saying this for a while but I’m glad someone else has said it. Unfortunately a decent percentage of people who dislike Kylo Ren would never admit such a thing.

As it pertains to the character/villain himself Kylo Ren is definitely one of my favorite characters in the Star Wars Universe. Shocking, I know but he is certainly the most layered villain we have seen thus far in the films. Vader was a bad person who had the capacity for good (which was brought out by his interactions with Luke). Kylo Ren on the other hand is a good person who is willing himself to be evil. That makes his inner conflict the more believable of the two in my opinion. I don’t think he’ll be turning back to the light (at least not in this trilogy) because I think he had his arc in TFA and he chose to delve into the path of darkness whereas Vader chose to embrace the good in him. That in conjunction with his growing lunacy is going to turn him into a monster when he completes his training under the Supreme Leader.

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Eh, I feel like we’re going to see a lot more development from him. In the book they mention him killing Han as a moment that weakens him, and I’m sure we’re going to see him go through a lot of changes.

I think that, like Vader, he thinks he’s lost, but there are people who know there is still good in him. The interesting bit is when Snoke talks about how he could be seduced by the light side, which is an interesting reversal from what we’ve traditionally seen from the series.

He wants to be the badass in black armour like his grandpappy, but I don’t think he’s got it in him. I think he’s just a scared, confused little boy like Rey said.

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I think the weakness he felt is only going to be a temporary thing. If they show his training Snoke will probably mention it and by the end of his training any guilt he will have felt will be gone. This isn’t the first time guilt has weakened someone who was of the Dark Side. Also due to his defeat by Rey (though circumstance lead to her victory) will feed his hatred and in turn will feed his yearning for the Dark Side.

He wants to be the badass in black armour like his grandpappy, but I don’t think he’s got it in him.

I mean he killed Han. That shows a willingness to fully commit to the Dark Side.

I think he’s just a scared, confused little boy like Rey said.

But who says he can’t evolve? That he can’t change like Luke did in the OT?

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I mean, Anakin killed (or thought he killed) basically everything he loved and had ever known, and yet he still came back.

I think it’s far too early to call Kylo a lost cause. I think he’ll evolve, but I feel like it’ll be more towards the light. Maybe not in this next film since they’ve been saying it’s going to be in the vain of Empire, but eventually.

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But Anakin has never killed a family member. He never killed Padme (well directly) and he wasn’t able to kill Luke. Kylo through great strife was still able to kill Han.

Also a big difference between the two is that Kylo Ren is sick in the head whereas Anakin was a pompous ass with anger issues. Kylo Ren talks to the brunt helmet of his long dead grandfather and he speaks about himself in 3rd person. And do we even have to go into his violent outbursts? This man needs help and that can be a deciding factor as to whether he stays in the darkness or not.

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I liked Kylo Ren but I loved his alter ego Matt.