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dkeighobadi said:
When LordHaseo said this for example, Rey desperately wants to be reunited with her family and at this point in borders on denial and when she touches Luke’s lighsaber and has her vision she wants no part in it largely because she was terrified of Kylo Ren. I immediately thought of Luke and how at first he too didn’t want to leave, which I had even forgot about. The point being is that this in particular is totally unnecessary. She could have a different but equally valid reason to stay.

Interesting parallel…though wanting to stay to help your family’s farm and staying just in case your family comes back for you are kind of different…BUT both can be boiled down to a strong sense of family value. Interesting parallel indeed.

The point being is that this in particular is totally unnecessary. She could have a different but equally valid reason to stay.

To be honest I can’t think of what anyone would want to stay on a Planet like that where there are hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of exponentially better worlds out there. But if you have a better reason please do share it.

And the “it’ll be explained in the later movies” excuse does not hold, it needs to be a movie in its own right (character-wise, plot wise its sound), just like A New Hope was.

To be fair ANH absolutely had to be a single contained story with no allusions to a sequel only because there was no guarantee that there would be a sequel much less an entire Saga. So by that basis I think it’s unfair to compare the too in that regard.

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Lord Haseo said:

Interesting parallel…though wanting to stay to help your family’s farm and staying just in case your family comes back for you are kind of different…BUT both can be boiled down to a strong sense of family value. Interesting parallel indeed.

True, of course. Nice little antithesis going on there. Just to clarify, I don’t dislike repetition for repetition’s sake. Mirroring can be useful, poetic almost. But I feel maybe it’s a bit too deliberate in TFA.
Also, I’d like to say the to all those complaining of the fan service, most of it I find to be totally applicable. A long time has passed in the universe, there are going to be these elements. I find it even enriches the story. Also, I love how Han has accepted the force, which he didn’t even do in Return of the Jedi. He’s been on a long journey, and he’s experienced a lot. Stuff like this I loved in Ep7 which you simply do not get in the prequels.

To be honest I can’t think of what anyone would want to stay on a Planet like that where there are hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of exponentially better worlds out there. But if you have a better reason please do share it.

I don’t know, I’m not a scriptwriter. Maybe something more sentimental (I know, more sentimental than family). But yeah, maybe even tie it in to, gasp, a weakness of Rey’s! Y’know, something that’ll hold her back, because atm there are no constraints on her and it therefore feels somewhat artificial.

And the “it’ll be explained in the later movies” excuse does not hold, it needs to be a movie in its own right (character-wise, plot wise its sound), just like A New Hope was.

To be fair ANH absolutely had to be a single contained story with no allusions to a sequel only because there was no guarantee that there would be a sequel much less an entire Saga. So by that basis I think it’s unfair to compare the too in that regard.

Correct in that it is not a fair comparison. But you know what I mean (I hope, no pun intended).

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TV’s Frink said:

I just noticed that signature. What an offensive piece of garbage.

Yeah, what an absolutely absurd grasp at straws. She was not sexualized in that movie at all. An attempt to invalidate opinions (as well as the character and actor) so as not to deal with them directly (if for some reason, there were a need to).

And to put it in a signature is the forum equivalent of driving around with your finger up and your horn on. Yeah, you seem like you’re probably protesting something, but it’s hard to tell what exactly that is when you’re trying even harder to seem like a prick.

Such sexist nonsense.

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I mean, if you want to say that about Natalie in AOTC, maybe (maybe!). But this is just insane.

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MalàStrana said:

If you think Rey is a good character, sorry but you don’t know anything about storytelling (and you’re obviously thinking with your dick).

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TV’s Frink said:

I mean, if you want to say that about Natalie in AOTC, maybe (maybe!). But this is just insane.

Even with the prequels, which there are a thousand reasons to dislike, I don’t think we need to resort to “you don’t actually know what your own opinion is, you actually like it because of [stupid made up reason _]” attacks.

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dkeighobadi said:
True, of course. Nice little antithesis going on there. Just to clarify, I don’t dislike repetition for repetition’s sake. Mirroring can be useful, poetic almost. But I feel maybe it’s a bit too deliberate in TFA.

In this specific parallel I find it poetic but something like Starkiller Base seems like repetition for repetition’s sake

Also, I love how Han has accepted the force, which he didn’t even do in Return of the Jedi. He’s been on a long journey, and he’s experienced a lot.

In no way do I see that as fan service; I just see that as the evolution of the character.

But yeah, maybe even tie it in to, gasp, a weakness of Rey’s!

Her believing that her family will come back after YEARS and her believing Finn to be a Resistance member even though he was clearly lying indicates that she’s naive which is a weakness in my eyes.

because atm there are no constraints on her and it therefore feels somewhat artificial.

I think there should have been a second reason that she uses as her buffer even though he real reason for wanting to stay is in case her family returns. Something like debt. It worked well in Path of Destruction and I think it would have fit in well here.

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Lord Haseo said:

dkeighobadi said:

Also, I love how Han has accepted the force, which he didn’t even do in Return of the Jedi. He’s been on a long journey, and he’s experienced a lot.

In no way do I see that as fan service; I just see that as the evolution of the character.

I don’t either. It was a separate point. I agree with you 😉.

I think there should have been a second reason that she uses as her buffer even though he real reason for wanting to stay is in case her family returns. Something like debt. It worked well in Path of Destruction and I think it would have fit in well here.

I actually like this. Naivity being her biggest hindrance. That can be explored in many ways later on. It does, now that I think about it, fit her character, or rather, the character we want to be presented with. I also like her using a buffer. Makes things a tad darker, she’s insecure about something, themes of deceit, links to the prequel trilogy and possible leanings to the dark side? Apparently Episode 8 is going to be be darker anyways…
As you’ve shown, plenty of room for manoeuvre, even for the supposedly “monotone” Rey.

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dkeighobadi said:
I actually like this. Naivity being her biggest hindrance. That can be explored in many ways later on.

That can lead her to the Dark Side. If Luke tells a truth “from a certain point of view” or even an outright lie she will most likely believe it but when confronted with the actual truth she may have resentment for him and the Order that let such a lie be permissible. But if she does turn to the Dark Side (which I hope she does) it needs to be more than that; it has to be about power too.

even for the supposedly “monotone” Rey.

I’ve seen her be called flawless and perfect but not monotone. But then again I saw someone on youtube who said she would be the Jar Jar of this trilogy. People just say whatever these days whether it’s applicable to the topic/character or not.

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I wrote this a few pages back, but it got lost in another line of discussion - did anyone have any similar ideas or thoughts? Nothing profound - but possibly another way to take the story.

ben_danger said:

I had a bit of a half baked idea a while back (can’t remember if I or anyone else mentioned it.)

Main goal is to remove the ‘doomsday weapon’ subplot - and make STARKILLER base just a regular base.

So the film proceeds as normal to the point where Han/Chewie/Finn are rescued by the Rebels as normal. The STARKILLER bits at this point are cut out.

Han/Chewie/Finn then intentionally go after Rey as a rescue mission (as oppose to a side objective). They might get the information from Leia for the location of the base. I’d cut the planetary shield subplot (so no interrogation of Phasma or dropping out of Lightspeed)

Biggest plot hole would be WHY do they go to the facility to drop bombs? Could it be cut so its just part of their route back? Or could there be some alternative purpose? Maybe the rebels were planning an attack on some cloning facility or something like that?

An unrelated idea - was have Han call out to Kylo Ren whilst he carries off Rey. I thought this might start Kylo Ren’s doubt and fretting as oppose to reveal it rather flatly with Snoke.

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ben_danger said:

An unrelated idea - was have Han call out to Kylo Ren whilst he carries off Rey. I thought this might start Kylo Ren’s doubt and fretting as oppose to reveal it rather flatly with Snoke.

While this has pros, which you’ve listed in terms of it improving the Snoke conversation, it also has cons. I like the fact Han is slightly uneasy about calling his name, even with the relative safety of a retreating first order and arriving resistance force. It adds even more weight when he decided to call out to Kylo later when Han’s much more vulnerable.
Just my opinion…

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So guys, I was watching this clickbait-fest, and this part got me interested, and more importantly, reminded me of this thread.

https://youtu.be/DglBQf3U5Xs?t=29m

It seems that some, if not most of these upcoming deleted scenes will be part of this “Leia storyline”, which I feel would if included in an edit, would almost certainly enhance the film.

a) It would give a better context to the political situation. I know what you’re saying, politics and star wars didn’t mesh the last time. But it really is needed, in fact its the largest complaint BY FAR of the movie from what I’ve heard people say. We now understand, clearly, the most protagonistic force in the movie, the Resistance, and Leia’s relationship to it.

b) (and in my opinion the most important) It would give us a sideplot of sorts to focus on. The entire film is utterly focused on Rey. Not even A New Hope was that linear. It branched out. This would give it perfect depth.

c) We also give a shit about the Hosnian system being destroyed, and we are introduced to more characters.

d) MOAR LEIA. Come on, this is a valid point on its own, right?

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By the way that concept art is sorta proof that the people behind TFA weren’t lying on their arses and blatantly making a reboot of A New Hope. They consciously, with EFFORT, decided to go for the look we ended up seeing. Otherwise, if you see what I mean, the concept art would be redundant.

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Smithers said:

^ Agreed, I’m hoping the deleted scenes are good and that the VFX are finished

Considering the amount of time and money thrown at the film I would quite frankly be insulted if I saw greenscreen.

On a sidenote, I’ve always wondered why people don’t just edit these scenes themselves. There’s a great opportunity here for people that can do all the greenscreen stuff. People should get these unfinished scenes and finish them, with their own artistic interpretation for the good of the community.

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dkeighobadi said:

By the way that concept art is sorta proof that the people behind TFA weren’t lying on their arses and blatantly making a reboot of A New Hope. They consciously, with EFFORT, decided to go for the look we ended up seeing. Otherwise, if you see what I mean, the concept art would be redundant.

Or they had interesting new ideas but ditched some of them for brand recognition reasons.

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Bingowings said:

dkeighobadi said:

By the way that concept art is sorta proof that the people behind TFA weren’t lying on their arses and blatantly making a reboot of A New Hope. They consciously, with EFFORT, decided to go for the look we ended up seeing. Otherwise, if you see what I mean, the concept art would be redundant.

Or they had interesting new ideas but ditched some of them for brand recognition reasons.

None of the concept art proves the plot would have been vastly different if these ideas were implemented into the film.

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Bingowings said:

dkeighobadi said:

By the way that concept art is sorta proof that the people behind TFA weren’t lying on their arses and blatantly making a reboot of A New Hope. They consciously, with EFFORT, decided to go for the look we ended up seeing. Otherwise, if you see what I mean, the concept art would be redundant.

Or they had interesting new ideas but ditched some of them for brand recognition reasons.

Maybe. But at least you can’t brand it laziness, which GL certainly can be branded with.

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dkeighobadi said:

Bingowings said:

dkeighobadi said:

By the way that concept art is sorta proof that the people behind TFA weren’t lying on their arses and blatantly making a reboot of A New Hope. They consciously, with EFFORT, decided to go for the look we ended up seeing. Otherwise, if you see what I mean, the concept art would be redundant.

Or they had interesting new ideas but ditched some of them for brand recognition reasons.

which GL certainly can be branded with.

Are you referring to the Flash Gordon + Akira Kurosawa Films influence? If so you kind of have a point.