Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released) — Page 8

Dek Rollins said:

towne32 said:

Dek Rollins said:

towne32 said:

VLC doesn’t seem to be playing nicely with this for me (it does not like Blu-rays with menus). I did my testing on PS4, PS3, PowerDVD, and Total Media Theatre. Your vlc may be set up better than mine, though.

How about MPC HC?

Looks like it works perfectly! Plays ANH by default but you can select playlist through the drop menu to 0001, which will be SW. No menu support, of course.

Why doesn’t it support menus?

Unofficial, third party media players that support blu-ray almost never can do menus. As is, I guess it’s hard enough to get them to work with AACS on encrypted discs, so it’s a bit of a hack job. And they need to keep up with changing keys, etc.

I don’t know what is specifically hard to read/render as far as the menus go, though. Arcsoft Totalmedia Theatre was one piece of software that supported them. But they have dropped blu-ray support probably under pressure or because it’s hard to keep up.

Not sure if this will work the way I want it to, but I just tossed the M2TS files for my preferred crawl and the rest of the movie and the DTS-HD tracks from Harmy’s 2.5 into TSMuxer. I’ll let you guys know if it worked in 20 minutes or so.

EDIT: no dice.

EDIT2: Just discovered the “join” function. Commencing attempt 2.

EDIT3: That worked just fine.

EDIT4: Ugh, still too big to fit on a disc. Looks like I’m waiting for the MKV after all.

towne32 said:

DLucas: If you want it mainly to grab the color for your encode, get the BD since the bitrate is higher. 😃

Well I’m going to have to end up lowering the bitrate slightly anyways to make sure two full copies of the film can fit on a BD50, so that’s not such a big deal. Plus having the whole movie on one track (instead of the crawl separate) will make it easier to get all of my corrections frame-accurate and synched up.

towne32 said:

VLC doesn’t seem to be playing nicely with this for me (it does not like Blu-rays with menus). I did my testing on PS4, PS3, PowerDVD, and Total Media Theatre. Your vlc may be set up better than mine, though.

You can definitely watch the m2ts files in VLC. But everything up to and through the crawl is a separate m2ts. So you’d need to click the next one when it’s done, or make a playlist or something. Or wait for an MKV. 😃

So I just tried it (even though it’s still downloading 😃).
I loaded VLC and did “open folder” and selected the whole thing. It queued up a playlist on it’s own, and added both crawl’s (0000, then 0001, then 0002 m2ts files).
Anyway, that’s good enough for me. I’m sure I could set it up to skip one or whatever. I don’t know which one I’d prefer. I didn’t even know there were 2 of them until this thread (ya, I’m a noob when it comes to this original trilogy stuff!).

Thanks again.

edit (sorry, too much of a noob to say Jedit): Those using VLC. There is another (way).
Media->open disc. Then in the dialog that opens, pick Blu-ray radio button (keep the “no menu” checkbox checked), then browse, then go to and select the main “Harmy’s Star Wars Despecialized 2.6 (Towne32)” folder, then click “Select Folder” button.
It then more seamlessly plays just 1 crawl and then the main film (without closing the window and opening it again like it does with playlists).
In this case it chooses the “A NEW HOPE” crawl. I’m guessing if I just rename the m2ts file to something else it would skip it and play the other file.
Ok tried it. Just renaming the 0000.m2ts file to something doesn’t work. But if you rename the 0001.m2ts file to 0000.m2ts (and name the original 0000.m2ts to something else first), then it works.

Harmy said:

Why doesn’t it support menus?

Unofficial, third party media players that support blu-ray almost never can do menus. As is, I guess it’s hard enough to get them to work with AACS on encrypted discs, so it’s a bit of a hack job. And they need to keep up with changing keys, etc.

Hang on, are you saying that MPC HC can play BDs without a third party software to get rid of the encryption first?

Nope. Just talking about the functionality itself. The AACS comment was just in regards to why media player developers might not spend much bother on blu-ray support. The amount of unencrypted homebrew discs out there is negligible, and even pirates would probably stick to other formats.

There’s a way to rig VLC to use the encryption key, though. I think.

Darth Lucas said:

towne32 said:

DLucas: If you want it mainly to grab the color for your encode, get the BD since the bitrate is higher. 😃

Well I’m going to have to end up lowering the bitrate slightly anyways to make sure two full copies of the film can fit on a BD50, so that’s not such a big deal. Plus having the whole movie on one track (instead of the crawl separate) will make it easier to get all of my corrections frame-accurate and synched up.

Oh, of course. The point was just that sequential re-encodes might be less damaging using a higher bitrate form as starting material and you’ve nothing to gain by waiting for the mkv anyway. 😃

Molly said:

Doesn’t supporting BD menus require having a Java runtime built into the player?

I’m not using BD-J.

The new 35mm stuff looks great by the way. I scrubbed around a bit after giving up on trying to get this encode onto a BD-25 with the lossless audio tracks, and all the new shots were noticeable improvements and blended really well with the surrounding material. I’ll be waiting for the MKV with the ANH crawl, but no rush. Having watched the trilogy through two or three times in the last few weeks with all these new versions coming out, I think I’m going to hold off on watching this one all the way through until the weekend before the TFA Blu-ray comes out. I guess you could call it a tolerance break.

joefavs said:

Having watched the trilogy through two or three times in the last few weeks with all these new versions coming out, I think I’m going to hold off on watching this one all the way through until the weekend before the TFA Blu-ray comes out. I guess you could call it a tolerance break.

Can’t really overemphasize how much I agree with you on that one. I’ll be giving it longer than that, probably. I honestly haven’t seen RoTJ 2.5 straight through like a proper film yet. Though I’ve only seen ESB once in the last six months, so I’ll probably be eager to watch 2.5 when that comes out.

joefavs said:

Not sure if this will work the way I want it to, but I just tossed the M2TS files for my preferred crawl and the rest of the movie and the DTS-HD tracks from Harmy’s 2.5 into TSMuxer. I’ll let you guys know if it worked in 20 minutes or so.

THE PHANTOM EDIT: no dice.

ATATCK OF THE EDIT: Just discovered the “join” function. Commencing attempt 2.

REVENGE OF THE EDIT: That worked just fine.

A NEW EDIT: Ugh, still too big to fit on a disc. Looks like I’m waiting for the MKV after all.

Melatius said:

I just downloaded your BD and it looks very nice. I haven’t had a chance to watch it completely yet, but I did notice an audio hiccup in the transition from the Crawls/Flyovers to where the Tantive IV is shown flying toward the screen. It’s just a second pause in the audio, but I thought you would like to know. Perhaps it’s just my system (playing on an HTPC with VLC), but if others are experiencing this, you might want to try and fix it.

Yep. Could be the system. I’ve tested it in PowerDVD, Arcsoft, PS4, and PS3. That gimmick was the whole point of the BD idea, so I would’ve actually not released it if it didn’t work on something I tested it on. People have been able to get BD crawl branching working ‘with hiccup’ for years now, so the only thing new about it here was that it should have been seamless. It was 100% smooth on all of those platforms.

Let me know if you get a chance to try it on anything else. VLC BD support is unofficial and imperfect. It didn’t even start for me in VLC. When I tested in MPC, the playlists with different crawls were available, but I think I forgot to test the branch itself for smoothness.

Anyway, I appreciate the feedback about it.

You can easily mux an MKV out of a BD ISO with MakeMKV:

http://www.makemkv.com

Melatius said:

Ok, so I tried it with MPC-HC and it worked fine. Must be how VLC was handling it.

Thanks for responding and thanks for your work on this!

Great, thanks for checking!

Density said:

You can easily mux an MKV out of a BD ISO with MakeMKV:

http://www.makemkv.com

Or mkvmerge. But does either work with branching titles?

towne32 said:

Density said:

You can easily mux an MKV out of a BD ISO with MakeMKV:

http://www.makemkv.com

Or mkvmerge. But does either work with branching titles?

I’m honestly not sure. I haven’t downloaded your release yet and I don’t think I’ve ever used it on any other branching titles. Would’t hurt for someone to try it out though.

Memorex said:

towne32 said:

Edit: It’s tempting, mostly to sharpen up the boundary between Luke and the background, but I think I’m going to pass on this one. Great suggestion, though.

Yeah sure, well thanks for considering 😃

And congrats on the release of 2.6! I am eager to check out your work, but I think I’ll hold out for the MKV for the sake of the lossless audio though 😉

You should be able to mux the lossless audio from Harmy’s into this. That’s what I intend to do.

I just downloaded the Blu-ray thinking it would have the lossless audio, but apparently that’s not the case. Guess I should have gone ahead and waited for the MKV. 😦

Well, if anyone gets the remux working, please post your method to save others some trouble. 😃