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Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen…except for that part about the dress. I never saw that one coming.
This is getting too ridiculous Frink. It’s obvious the only sensible solution is for Team -1 to send me all of his emails, personal and otherwise. I will pay for you to scan all of them, at which point you will return them to me and I will send the relevant copies for Towne to review.
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Regardless of the gravity of this individual situation, I think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for N1. Absurd posts were being made constantly by the team account (and some clearly by negative 1 himself) with no regard for the forum rules. He also constantly ignored his many warnings for posting outside of TN1 threads. That alone (in my opinion of course) was enough for a ban just given how he had no respect for the rules or leeway TN1 was given.
No argument from me here. And if that the mods would like to make that the reason for the ban, I’ll go to bed happy. But I’m still seeking an apology for the accusation that we behaved unethically. Because that is Not true.
That is understandable. As others have said, we are out of the loop so I will just step away from the conversation for now. I have no clue what is going on. I might suggest though that perhaps (given how shady N1 appears to be), maybe there are instances of inappropriate actions that you are not aware of.
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I stand corrected, it wasn’t a frame or a file posted by Poita that set Mike hunting for him, it was a file name. Here is the original Skype Chat:
[6/14/2014 8:10:37 PM] Mike Verta: Who is David (poita?)
[6/14/2014 8:11:03 PM] Mike Verta: Do you know?
[6/14/2014 8:14:56 PM] Mike Verta: might go by the name poitapoita
[6/14/2014 8:15:02 PM] Mike Verta: on forums, etc.
[6/14/2014 8:16:47 PM] Mike Verta: Found him on OT.com
[6/14/2014 8:17:08 PM] williarob: All I know is that he is very sick, most of the time.
[6/14/2014 8:17:22 PM] williarob: And he lives in Australia
[6/14/2014 8:17:49 PM] Mike Verta: By the most random of coincindences, I saw him asking for help with some DPX files on a forum for reading audio from optical scans of film.
[6/14/2014 8:18:14 PM] Mike Verta: He posted the names of his test frames, and they were my naming convention for one of my scans.
[6/14/2014 8:18:50 PM] williarob: He has his own scanning machine that can make IR scans, bought it on ebay
[6/14/2014 8:19:13 PM] Mike Verta: Yes, but this was a very specific naming convention that couldn’t have happened by coincidence
[6/14/2014 8:20:26 PM] williarob: weird. I don’t have any of your scans, apart from the Greedo sequence, and I don’t know how anyone else could have it. And as I say, he’s in Australia
[6/14/2014 8:20:56 PM] Mike Verta: I know how he could have it, I’m just stunned by the irresponsibility of the person who’s done it.
[6/14/2014 8:24:05 PM] Mike Verta: What’s weird is half of his posts are signed with -Peter
[6/14/2014 8:24:56 PM] williarob: I only know him as Poita. Never spoken to him directly.
[6/14/2014 8:25:25 PM] Mike Verta: Hmmm… unfortunate, however it’s gone down.
[6/14/2014 8:25:31 PM] Mike Verta: People suck.
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So once again, Poita I apologize - I misremembered the conversation. But anyway, the point is that THIS is where Mike’s story begins. Since only 2 or three people could have sent out those files, it was this incident that tipped Mike off to the fact that the scans were now in the wild… Also note that at this point in time, I had no idea we were about to receive a copy too.
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What an absolute mess. I really hope someone can get a hold of all ‘statements’/posts/emails and properly sorts fact from fiction. No one wants projects that will hurt other projects, yet jumping to conclusion after conclusion as more information slowly trickles out isn’t healthy either. The longer this goes on, the longer reputations will suffer.
What an absolute mess. I really hope someone can get a hold of all ‘statements’/posts/emails and properly sorts fact from fiction. No one wants projects that will hurt other projects, yet jumping to conclusion after conclusion as more information slowly trickles out isn’t healthy either. The longer this goes on, the longer reputations will suffer.
Hear fucking hear.
I’m just going to leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVZul_oCWTE
On a more serious note, not wanting to take any one person’s word over anothers I’m not in a position to have an informed opinion regarding what has or hasn’t gone on. I think banning the TN1 account was the right thing to do, although it may or may not have been done for the wrong reasons. The conduct of the account as a ‘team account’ in relation to the forum rules had been in question for some time.
Assuming for a moment that TN1 have not acted unethically in relation to acquiring the scan of the Technicolor print I somewhat agree with StinkyDinks in that, if those behind the Team are willing, work on the Technicolor scan/project should continue, if only as a contingency in case Mike doesn’t succeed, and I believe me I really hope he does!
Just to clarify I’m not asking for the evidence to be presented here in public, I’m not asking to see the evidence privately, in my oh so humble opinion the evidence from both sides should be reviewed by Jay or a member of the moderation team and the findings of that review conveyed to the community so we can have closure and move on from this matter.
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Somehow all of this just reads like one huge misunderstanding…
That is because it is just a huge misunderstanding, compounded by silencing those who might have prepared a defense for themselves.
Also, people were always upset by their posting outside their thread, but i never saw the problem. If they had interesting info, or views to provide, why silence them? That rule seemed nonsensical. Just my 2 cents
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Regardless of the gravity of this individual situation, I think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for N1. Absurd posts were being made constantly by the team account (and some clearly by negative 1 himself) with no regard for the forum rules. He also constantly ignored his many warnings for posting outside of TN1 threads. That alone (in my opinion of course) was enough for a ban just given how he had no respect for the rules or leeway TN1 was given.
No argument from me here. And if that the mods would like to make that the reason for the ban, I’ll go to bed happy. But I’m still seeking an apology for the accusation that we behaved unethically. Because that is Not true.
This should not be an issue either after this went on …
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Oops! I meant…
Jay did put a stop to it but Frink did not get banned.
Sorry Frink, I had a hard time defending their ban over posts when I remembered your antics going on after the rule was made for said chiding.
And btw Frink, did you applaud Willarobs transparency earlier in this thread but now you’re questioning it? I know you love contradictions but I’m not sure this was a good one to establish considering the possible implications of this issue.
Just saying bud, not trying come off mean.
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Somehow all of this just reads like one huge misunderstanding…
I think that is exactly what it is. There were expectations and assumptions between Mike and Person #2 that were obviously different. So why exactly is Team Negative One getting shafted?
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I’m just going to leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVZul_oCWTE
Freekin hilarious … thanks for the giggle Lee.
And as for your statement. I agree that the course of action you suggested for clarity should be taken.
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I stand corrected, it wasn’t a frame or a file posted by Poita that set Mike hunting for him, it was a file name. Here is the original Skype Chat:
[6/14/2014 8:10:37 PM] Mike Verta: Who is David (poita?)
[6/14/2014 8:11:03 PM] Mike Verta: Do you know?
[6/14/2014 8:14:56 PM] Mike Verta: might go by the name poitapoita
[6/14/2014 8:15:02 PM] Mike Verta: on forums, etc.
[6/14/2014 8:16:47 PM] Mike Verta: Found him on OT.com
[6/14/2014 8:17:08 PM] williarob: All I know is that he is very sick, most of the time.
[6/14/2014 8:17:22 PM] williarob: And he lives in Australia
[6/14/2014 8:17:49 PM] Mike Verta: By the most random of coincindences, I saw him asking for help with some DPX files on a forum for reading audio from optical scans of film.
[6/14/2014 8:18:14 PM] Mike Verta: He posted the names of his test frames, and they were my naming convention for one of my scans.
[6/14/2014 8:18:50 PM] williarob: He has his own scanning machine that can make IR scans, bought it on ebay
[6/14/2014 8:19:13 PM] Mike Verta: Yes, but this was a very specific naming convention that couldn’t have happened by coincidence
[6/14/2014 8:20:26 PM] williarob: weird. I don’t have any of your scans, apart from the Greedo sequence, and I don’t know how anyone else could have it. And as I say, he’s in Australia
[6/14/2014 8:20:56 PM] Mike Verta: I know how he could have it, I’m just stunned by the irresponsibility of the person who’s done it.
[6/14/2014 8:24:05 PM] Mike Verta: What’s weird is half of his posts are signed with -Peter
[6/14/2014 8:24:56 PM] williarob: I only know him as Poita. Never spoken to him directly.
[6/14/2014 8:25:25 PM] Mike Verta: Hmmm… unfortunate, however it’s gone down.
[6/14/2014 8:25:31 PM] Mike Verta: People suck.
…So once again, Poita I apologize - I misremembered the conversation. But anyway, the point is that THIS is where Mike’s story begins. Since only 2 or three people could have sent out those files, it was this incident that tipped Mike off to the fact that the scans were now in the wild… Also note that at this point in time, I had no idea we were about to receive a copy too.
Thank you.
I went back and checked everything to be sure.
I sorted this out with Mike not long after, I had a sample of files that just had the optical audio from some frames, and was asked if the audio could be recovered. and they wouldn’t load into the AEO software, and I suspected it was the convoluted filename, so I contacted the AEO developers. They posted the Q&A on their boards, including the filename, and I immediately contacted them and said that they should not put actual filenames on their boards as you never know if they might constitute information of some kind, and they changed it to the same pattern, with different lettering.
No actual files were ever transferred to anyone else, and no images were ever posted. Even if somehow they could have been (which they didn’t), they would have been of a vertical waveform, as there was no image apart from that in them to be seen.
Mike may well have flipped out, he may have said horrible things about me in private, or he may have loved it, I don’t know, and don’t think it matters, he contacted me, we chatted like grown-ups and we sorted it out, and got on with working.
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he contacted me, we chatted like grown-ups and we sorted it out, and got on with working.
That’s not how the Internet is supposed to work.
mverta’s freak-out was distinct from #3’s freak-out ?
However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Yes, if you call trying to find someone a freakout 😃
AFAIK, #3 is still freaked out, to use the terminology.
Anyway, I am not going to write any more here, plenty has been said already.
I would like to think we can all go back to getting on with film restoration and other projects. If the -1 team have access to the print, then maybe they will scan it and continue working on it, or will work on their other projects.
I will be just getting on with mine.
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he contacted me, we chatted like grown-ups and we sorted it out, and got on with working.
That’s not how the Internet is supposed to work.
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Which is part of the reason I am going off forums for a while.
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poita said:
all go back to getting on with film restoration and other projects
Yes. The Technicolor project being at the top of the list I hope.
Honestly, I can’t see how it isn’t considered a tremendous loss not to complete this project. At this point who cares about the he-says-she-says nonsense? It’s gotten so nuanced and esoteric that the people involved directly seemed just as confused as the rest of us. If -1 actually did nothing wrong (and at this point that seems to be inching further from “possible” and much closer to “probable”) and he has a Technicolor print scan that was funded by another person, and the Team was given explicit permission to use that scan for the Technicolor project… to not do so because of a handful of days worth of e-drama would be an absolute tragedy… and for others to begin to claim such a project would interfere with Mike’s “negotiations” is a friggin’ total farce.
he contacted me, we chatted like grown-ups and we sorted it out, and got on with working.
That’s not how the Internet is supposed to work.
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Which is part of the reason I am going off forums for a while.
Same reason I’m (supposed to be) on a temporary vacation from here.
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Well, you at need to at least stick around long enough for me to reply to your post…
Regardless of the gravity of this individual situation, I think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for N1. Absurd posts were being made constantly by the team account (and some clearly by negative 1 himself) with no regard for the forum rules. He also constantly ignored his many warnings for posting outside of TN1 threads. That alone (in my opinion of course) was enough for a ban just given how he had no respect for the rules or leeway TN1 was given.
No argument from me here. And if that the mods would like to make that the reason for the ban, I’ll go to bed happy. But I’m still seeking an apology for the accusation that we behaved unethically. Because that is Not true.
This should not be an issue either after this went on …
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Oops! I meant…
Jay did put a stop to it but Frink did not get banned.
Sorry Frink, I had a hard time defending their ban over posts when I remembered your antics going on after the rule was made for said chiding.
The rules were as follows:
For a while, both rules were followed. Then N1 (fooling no one, btw) started posting again, using the team account, outside of the TN1 project threads. I notified the moderators, but naturally I resumed mocking N1 until he decided to stop. In my opinion, if #1 wasn’t followed, there was no longer a reason to follow #2.
Jay amended the rules to state that everyone would get two warnings for breaking the rules, with the third being grounds for an immediate ban. I stopped #2 immediately. N1 kept at it, but Jay decided to allow the rules to be broken for one more day so that everyone was aware. Then he started giving out warnings. He gave one warning to N1, after which the rules were followed by everyone again.
So really I don’t know what your point is. I never even received one of the three warnings I was allowed, as I immediately stopped when asked.
And btw Frink, did you applaud Willarobs transparency earlier in this thread but now you’re questioning it? I know you love contradictions but I’m not sure this was a good one to establish considering the possible implications of this issue.
There is no contradiction.
All these things were consistent. No one had posted anything to the contrary, and yes, I applauded Williarob. But then Williarob did a 180, based on new information he received from another TN1 member, that contradicts what Mike said (I think - I still can’t get my head around what has actually happened or who supposedly did what). So now there is disagreement, and of course I’m questioning it. When everyone is in agreement, there’s nothing to question. Now that the agreement has (temporarily?) evaporated, you bet I’m questioning it. I question everything N1 has a hand in.
Team -1 keeps saying in their defense that they obtained the permission of the owner of the prints they used. How?
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that individuals weren’t legally allowed to own a print of a film… they technically are owned by the studio. And if a studio did decide to let someone own a print, that print would still be just for private use. All copyrights and distribution rights would still be retained by the studios and distribution companies… and making a scan of the print would be a violation of those laws (very much like ripping a movie you have on DVD and putting up on a torrent site). It just doesn’t matter if you get the permission of the guy who is in possession of the print.
I realize that fan-edits and reconstructions in general are a bit of a grey area, but this isn’t either of those… and there’s nothing grey about the area that it falls in.
My apologies if this has been covered already, but I was just skimming though this, and it seems that Team -1 keeps either ignoring or forgetting this fact.
And I must admit that it pains me slightly to say this, because the team did do a great job on the scan… but that’s not what this is about.
<span style=“font-size: 12px;”><span>We seem to be made to suffer. It’s our lot in life.</span></span>
My point was, you were treated better than TN1, even though you broke the same rules. And you had to be asked to stop, you didn’t just stop because there was a rule against it.
I don’t have any quarrel with you but it is no secret that you are given quite a bit of latitude here where others are not so I guess what I’m saying is you don’t have a lot of room to support their banning if you don’t support your own for equal behavior.
Again, I’m glad we get along and I’m not trying to start anything, this is my opinion on the contradiction.
My point was, you were treated better than TN1, even though you broke the same rules. And you had to be asked to stop, you didn’t just stop because there was a rule against it.
I don’t know what you are talking about, perhaps you can provide some links to back your version of these events up (not that anyone but you or I cares). N1 and I were both asked to stop, we both did, and then he started up again. I was absolutely not treated better than N1, we were both treated the same. We were both told to stop, we were both notified of the three warnings, I stopped. He got one warning, then he left.
I don’t have any quarrel with you but it is no secret that you are given quite a bit of latitude here where others are not so I guess what I’m saying is you don’t have a lot of room to support their banning if you don’t support your own for equal behavior.
My position was that there never should have been a team account in the first place. My opinion was that it just allowed for more confusion while doing nothing for anonymity, and I think the events of late have borne my opinion out.
I supported this ban specifically because, as I said (and you seem to be ignoring), everyone was in agreement (including a member of the team) that a line had been crossed. Now that member has changed his mind, and frankly I don’t know what to think now, but take it up with Jay if you think I have no right to my opinion.
Again, I’m glad we get along and I’m not trying to start anything, this is my opinion on the contradiction.
You are welcome to your opinion, but I believe you are misremembering what happened, and further, the situation has changed again so of course my position is subject to changing along with it.
Regardless, I’m sure no one else cares about this. It has nothing to do with the situation at hand.
I have always noticed that TN1 got incredible leeway due to their contributions to the fan projects. To say that TN1 in anyway has been treated poorly by OriginalTrilogy is just not the case. We still do not know the full story on this particular event, but leading up to this TN1 has gotten away with the metaphoric murder of OriginalTrilogy’s account rules.
The Person in Question
Now you’re just being Mean Frink, LOL. That’s fine. I understand.
These are your words …
I notified the moderators, but naturally I resumed mocking N1 until he decided to stop. In my opinion, if #1 wasn’t followed, there was no longer a reason to follow #2.
I never even received one of the three warnings I was allowed, as I immediately stopped when asked.
You followed the rules but kept mocking them because why? You hadn’t received a warning and figured it was okay with Jay that you chide them til they get themselves banned? You’ve been given latitude before so it still must be okay now? Why didn’t you get the same warning and why didn’t you follow the rules all the way through after reporting them?
I know your distaste for the “team accounts” was the same as your love for the “sock account”, very passionate. I also am okay with you having a revolving opinion on the matter.
In the end, you have a knack for posting off-topic stuff in other threads including project threads. It’s all over the board if one looks. You have never been banned for it nor have you stopped when others have asked you to politely so it stands to reason that you may have more latitude than most here. That is why I feel your ban-happy comments aren’t very productive to anything since you’ve been in their shoes but saved from the same fate you seem so happy they got.
I’m just saying, that’s all.
