Team Negative1 — Page 6

So -1 needed a team account to be anonymous because everyone already knew who he was?

theMaestro said:

Just to clarify Williarob: the technicolor print (whose screenshots were posted) you were working on was person 2’s or person 3’s?

This is really what the entire situation boils down to. If Mike is mistaken about which scan it is, that does change everything as far as I can tell. Yeah, there’s still team drama and accounts and media things and egos. But those are small things we’ve known about or accepted for ages. The important issue, why this all blew up, is about the ethics involved in that one scan.

edit: After reading williarob’s next response, maybe I’m mixing up my person #s again. I’ll withhold judgement until I’ve produced a proper flow chart and gotten it laminated.

I ACCEPT NOTHING

:p

Williarob said:

knowing all this, is it fair to continue this thread any further? Or should there in fact be a public apology for what in the end turned out to be false, untrue, incorrect and unfounded allegations of misconduct that were just thrown out there along with an immediate ban which prevented the accused of uttering even a single word in his own defense?

Have the original emails been sent to Jay?

Who else was banned?

Williarob said:

“It has come to our attention that some of the recent screen shots posted by Team Negative1 are from a scan of a print that has been obtained by unethical means without the owner’s knowledge or consent.”

Thanks to another former member of Team Negative One I have been able to examine the original emails, including those from “person #2”, and they prove beyond any doubt that Mike Verta did NOT pay for the Technicolor scan we received (though he did pay another scan which we don’t have). They also prove that we were given permission to use the scan in anyway we saw fit by the person who actually did pay for it. Now I’m not going to paste the content here because I believe that the one thing both Mike and -1 would actually agree on is that these kind collectors who very generously agreed to share their priceless prints with us, are not to blame for any of this and certainly don’t deserve to be identified in any way or dragged into this any further than they already have.

In fact -1 told me repeatedly to leave things alone, he’d rather take all the blame than have it shifted to them, so please, let’s leave them out of this. I’m only bringing this up now because yesterday Jetrell Fo made a valiant defense of the Team (in the 35mm thread) but in doing so focused attention on the collectors, which is actually worse than leaving us with all the blame.

But, the fact is, I don’t think anyone should be blamed for what, in the end, can only be put down to a lack of communication between all the parties involved.

Secondly, I don’t think it is fair to label -1 as wanting to be “the guy who wanted to save Star Wars” or seeking “fame”. First of all, all the interviews are by a “Mr. Black” - not even “-1” and all this trouble with the Team Account was BECAUSE OF HIS WISH TO BE ANONYMOUS! It’s pretty hard to seek fame and anonymity at the same time! The only reason we agreed to any interviews at all was to make sure the details were reported as accurately as possible, if they were to be reported at all. Nobody wanted the media circus that followed. And I don’t see anybody accusing Harmy of wanting to be the guy who saved Star Wars or seeking Fame and fortune based on his projects and he’s been in the spot light a lot longer than we have.

Thirdly, in spite of the knowledge that we had done no wrong we still agreed to shut down the project “for the greater good”.

So, regardless of whether or not you “like” -1 or Team Negative One (Frink), knowing all this, is it fair to continue this thread any further? Or should there in fact be a public apology for what in the end turned out to be false, untrue, incorrect and unfounded allegations of misconduct that were just thrown out there along with an immediate ban which prevented the accused of uttering even a single word in his own defense?

Do you still think the print was obtained unethically? The fact that Mike didn’t give his consent is irrelevant - he neither paid for the scan, nor owned the print. Consider this, the owner of the scan, that is the person who actually paid a huge amount of money to have it scanned, took the time to copy 21 TB of data onto 7 3TB hard drives, boxed them all up and mailed them to the team so they could use them. It’s hard to picture that happening without his knowledge or consent.

I rest my case.

I questioned every aspect of what was said and in type and had already come to your conclusion but I knew if it came from me I would be chastised. I was even quietly sniped once in this thread for trying to get down to the relevant info. My post in the 35mm thread was a move to find someone to finally lay to rest this issue with what I knew in my heart was the truth. I was going to disable my account here today until I read this post. Thank you williarob for being open and transparent. Thank you to the silent member who offered to help back up and let the facts be presented for all to see. Thanks to neg1 for being willing to take the heat to help save star wars properly.

It’s a bit concerning that all it takes (on the surface at least) to be banned without an opportunity to defend yourself is another member’s word. Even moreso now that it seems that any evidence to the contrary is being wilfully ignored.

What does this mean for other projects, high profile or not? What’s to stop someone getting a member banned and a thread locked by throwing around accusations? Is it really fair that if you have a personal beef with a member or their project, you can do this without additional testimony or evidence?

Surely there must be more for Jay to go on than has been disclosed here…as it just seems unreasonable.

Williarob said:

As far as I know, only the Team account and the negative One account were banned. I’m not even sure that the other members have accounts here. I don’t think the negative One account will ever be used again (He left years ago)

Not really relevant to the current discussion, but -1 was clearly posting all over the forums using the team account. So he may have stopped using his own account years ago, but he definitely did not leave.

Jetrell Fo said:

Thank you williarob for being open and transparent. Thank you to the silent member who offered to help back up and let the facts be presented for all to see. Thanks to neg1 for being willing to take the heat to help save star wars properly.

The facts have been presented for all to see? All I see is a he said / he said situation. Presumably Jay has seen more, but we certainly have not. We’ve seen Mike say one thing and williarob say something else. Nothing more.

If Mike comes out and says he made a mistake, that’s a different story, but that hasn’t happened yet.

I was talking about the idea that the facts have been presented, which is clearly not the case.

adywan said:

TV’s Frink said:

I was talking about the idea that the facts have been presented, which is clearly not the case.

But didn’t Willarob just say that he presented the facts to jay to prove they did indeed have permission?

He did.

No. He said he presented them to Jay and Jay declined to read them. We haven’t seen anything. Maybe they prove Mike was mistaken…but maybe they don’t. We can’t know without seeing them ourselves.

I’m not saying they should be posted publicly, obviously. But absent that, or a retraction from either Jay or Mike, we don’t know anything either way.

The rush to judgement can potentially swing either way.

Williarob said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Thank you williarob for being open and transparent. Thank you to the silent member who offered to help back up and let the facts be presented for all to see. Thanks to neg1 for being willing to take the heat to help save star wars properly.

The facts have been presented for all to see? All I see is a he said / he said situation. Presumably Jay has seen more, but we certainly have not. We’ve seen Mike say one thing and williarob say something else. Nothing more.

If Mike comes out and says he made a mistake, that’s a different story, but that hasn’t happened yet.

But don’t you see? My Story and Mike’s Story are exactly the same. I haven’t denied anything he said as being false or untrue. In fact I’m pretty sure I confirmed that everything he said is true. Mike believed that we had both scans, including the one he paid for, and that doesn’t make his statement untrue, that is what he believed, but as it turns out he was able to contact person #2 before they sent the second scan so we never received it. Go back and re-read Mike’s version of events, and then mine. They are the same story, but from different ends.

I’ll be completely honest here, I’m having trouble following the story. So you are saying you never received the scan he paid for. Does he believe you?

What Stinky-Dinkins said.

For the love of god PLEASE continue this project!