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That's a great site, but that bit of information is incorrect. What I've seen referred to as the '85 remix actually appears on the '84 VHS. Do you have the '84 VHS tape? If so, give it a listen.

But since you're looking for the straight Dolby Stereo mix, the '85 CAV LD that someone mentioned earlier may be the best choice. I don't have that disc myself so I can't verify the sound mix.

Scott
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Originally posted by: hiphats
Originally posted by: TheSessler
This may be a bit off topic, but I've never seen the Trailer narrated by Harrison Ford, where can I find it?


The Ford-narrated "Empire" trailer is on the supplementary disc of the new 2004 DVD box set.


D'oh, how stupid of me.
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Originally posted by: Obi-Wan Spicoli
That's a great site, but that bit of information is incorrect. What I've seen referred to as the '85 remix actually appears on the '84 VHS. Do you have the '84 VHS tape? If so, give it a listen.

But since you're looking for the straight Dolby Stereo mix, the '85 CAV LD that someone mentioned earlier may be the best choice. I don't have that disc myself so I can't verify the sound mix.

Scott

The site is correct. The easiest way to tell is the inclusion of the 3PO tractor beam line. It's not in the Dolby Stereo mix, prior to Burtt's first video mix. Suddenly it was back in the movie, only to be out again in the 1993 re-mix.

My transfer of the Dolby Stereo mix from the pan and scan CAV disc does not have the 3PO line. The 1985 mix (heard also on the 1989 LD) does have this line. If you download the "Mysterious Mysteries" version, you'll hear the line as well.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
The site is correct. The easiest way to tell is the inclusion of the 3PO tractor beam line. It's not in the Dolby Stereo mix, prior to Burtt's first video mix. Suddenly it was back in the movie, only to be out again in the 1993 re-mix.

My transfer of the Dolby Stereo mix from the pan and scan CAV disc does not have the 3PO line. The 1985 mix (heard also on the 1989 LD) does have this line. If you download the "Mysterious Mysteries" version, you'll hear the line as well.

Neil

Neil, I don't think you understood. I know the line wasn't in the original Dolby Stereo mix. Only the mono mix had it. The site says the sound mix was remastered for the 1985 VHS release. However, C-3PO's tractor beam line can be heard in the 1984 VHS release.

Scott
Greedo shoots first? Not in my DVD player.
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Sure you're not mistaking the 84 one for the 85 one? The packaging is the same.
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I checked with my friend who supplied the original information, and he responded with... "There was an early batch of digitally mastered tapes that were made up prior to the actual 'digitally mastered' moniker placed on the box. These were issued in early '85. It's possible that a few got out in '84, but the official 'digitally mastered' versions weren't released until '85. (Note.. It's the sound that was digitally mastered, not the picture.)"

This is accurate info.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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I'm starting to get confused here with people quoting VHS dates, forget F*ckin' VHS! just answer this;

1 Was 3PO's line in the 1977 theatrical mono mix?
2 Was 3PO's line in the 1977 theatrical dolby surround mix?

If the answer to 2 is no then I'm up for that guys edit of the mysteries version, as long as both soundtracks are included as they were in '77.
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It's in the mono mix. I don't think it's in the 1977-original 2.0 or 4.2 mixes.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Well, I don't think that just cutting that line qualifies it as the original 2.0 mix; there is a laserdisc that includes the original theatrical 2.0 mix and that should be used, along with the mono mix.
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Originally posted by: eros
Was 3PO's line in the 1977 theatrical mono mix?
Yes.

Originally posted by: eros
Was 3PO's line in the 1977 theatrical dolby surround mix?

No.

The same rules apply for "Close the blast doors".

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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...but, the "tractor beam" and "close the blast doors" lines were in the 1997 and 2004 Special Editions.

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But I believe that the "Close the blast doors" line was redubbed for the SE.
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
But I believe that the "Close the blast doors" line was redubbed for the SE.

Nope. It's the same as the mono mix. Leia's .44 magnum blaster during the chasm crossfire is also from the mono mix, and wound up in the 1997 mix. But I really don't care about any mixes done after 1993 at this point. They are irrelevant to the nature of this board.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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True. Keeping with that, and since this thread was started as a request for the mono mix MP3, does anyone have an MP3 of the original 77 (not 85 or 93) stereo mix? I've been screwing around with the mono mix myself and can't do much with it without another source, and while I'm using the 85 mix from the MM DVD, I'd like a copy of the stereo mix as well for archival purposes if I ever end up getting the mono mix up to snuff and a DVD made. And I don't suppose *anyone* has a copy of the 4.2 (six-track) mix, short of having an old 70mm reel?

And I know someone mentioned the necessity to transfer this to 5.1, but that would require the creation of a whole new channel. My copy of Tora! Tora! Tora! has 4.1 I believe (or 4.0), so wouldn't it be better preservation-wise to just compile the two LFE tracks into one and make it a 4.1 track, rather than creating a whole new center-speaker track? This is all assuming anyone can ever get their hands on the 4.2 mix...
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
does anyone have an MP3 of the original 77 (not 85 or 93) stereo mix? I've been screwing around with the mono mix myself and can't do much with it without another source, and while I'm using the 85 mix from the MM DVD, I'd like a copy of the stereo mix as well for archival purposes if I ever end up getting the mono mix up to snuff and a DVD made.

I have the Dolby mix. I know I must have said that once or twice.

I don't have an mp3 of it, nor would I want one made and used for a DVD. I have it uncompressed on 2 discs and an Apple Lossless version which fits on one disc.

I'm currently downmixing it to mono and plugging in the holes in the mono mix. It's not perfect quality wise (I'm degrading it as best as I can to get it to match) but it should be a good track when I'm done with it.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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My working premise was that some people believe the 4.2 mix made it to the DE laserdiscs.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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The 1993 mix may be closely derived from the 70mm mix, but it also has some new elements in it, such as the explosion just before 3PO enters the escape pod. The sound of the asteroids flying past the Falcon are certainly from the 6 track mix, though. I'm not sure where the bass on the 1993 mix was derived from, but I don't think it was the baby boom track from the 6 track. That may all be new for the 1993 track, too.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
Sure you're not mistaking the 84 one for the 85 one? The packaging is the same.
Actually, you're not far off. It turns out my '86 VHS tape had somehow made its way into my '84 box. I was watching the wrong tape thinking it was the 1984 release. I should have known better. Sorry to cause confusion.

Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
But I really don't care about any mixes done after 1993 at this point. They are irrelevant to the nature of this board.

Neil

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Consider the Special Edition sound mixes for ESB and ROTJ. They relied on the original 70mm mixes and restored a lot of alternate material. I believe that's very significant, especially for ESB where the sound mix is vastly different.

Scott




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Originally posted by: Obi-Wan Spicoli

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Since your tape comes from the mid-eighties UK television broadcast I am wondering.. does it have the Episode IV subtitle?
Yes, it does - although the whole scrawl has been reformatted to fit a 4:3 display:

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The mono mix in a lossless format (FLAC) has now been posted to a.b.starwars for those that want to grab it.

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Having trouble searching for this if it is still available. Could you perhaps provide a link? Also, could someone explain the reason for the audio running fast? I understand that it's from a PAL source, but why should there be a speed discrepancy if it was transferred from a PAL deck running at 50cycles - or was this not the case? The reason for asking is that although there are many options available for varispeeding once in the digital domain, they are not entirely transparent, and quality would be better preserved if the issue could be addressed in the analogue world before converting to digital.
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Originally posted by: Belbucus
Having trouble searching for this if it is still available. Could you perhaps provide a link?
Belbucus, click my blue eyeglasses icon to find the link on my user profile page. PM me if your IP addy doesn't have permission.
Those are Moth3r's .rar files listed on my website (containing the FLAC version, not the MP3).
Do you recall the emails we exchanged at mid-March on this very topic ? My offer still stands.
Would you prefer I re-post the files to alt.binaries.starwars instead of downloading directly from me ?

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Originally posted by: Belbucus
Also, could someone explain the reason for the audio running fast? I understand that it's from a PAL source, but why should there be a speed discrepancy if it was transferred from a PAL deck running at 50cycles - or was this not the case?
Film runs at 24 frames per second. PAL TVs refresh at 50Hz (50 fields per second). To make a film compatible with the PAL format it is sped up to 25 frames per second.

(NTSC TVs refresh at 59.94Hz. To show a film on an NTSC TV it is telecined with 3:2 pulldown which equates to a framerate of 23.976fps. To convert audio from a PAL source for use with an NTSC source it therefore needs to be slowed down by 4.096%.)

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Are there any sites that still have an mp3 version of the mono soundtrack available to download?