Spaced, we’ve been discussing this, the 1998MGM/1999WB DVDs supposedly have the LD audio mix. Not sure how closely they’ve been compared, however I know the 1999WB DVD has directional dialog. All later releases have reworked audio mixes.
I like the 1998MGM/1999WB for everything except the orchestral parts, however since no one has created this mix synced up to the BD, I settle with the 1999WB DVD.
That was my reason for the DD7.1 suggestion – that all 6 channels would remain intact. The MGM 1998 DVD lists a “New Dolby Digital 5.1 Soundtrack”. How did they make the 5.1 from the original 6 track? Are we getting a pure or a “balanced mix” translation? I guess that boils down to … “has anyone got the 6 track” file?
What was most likely done was to input the front LCR channels into the 5.1 exactly as they were, without alteration, and drop the Lc and Rc due to not being needed. The mono surround would go equally into both rear channels at -3 dB, so that when played back out of both speakers it would maintain its proper level. It is possible that some sort of de-tuning or other de-correlation effect may have been applied to the rear channels to prevent them from forming a phantom center image in the back of the room, thus making the surround effects more diffuse and less localized. (THX home video releases of old sound mixes have done this, but I don’t know if any other companies ever did it.) The original didn’t have an LFE channel, so it may have been left blank.
I haven’t actually heard the original mix of 2001, so this isn’t a firsthand account of how it sounds; it’s just what I’ve learned about how these formats tended to be dealt with. I do know the 5.1 on the Bluray sounds rather good, and its aural aesthetic matches my memory of watching the film on VHS—I think its changes come mainly in the form of the directional dialog having been all moved to the center, and the addition of some bass to the ending sequence. I’d certainly like to hear the original and compare them directly at some point.
HH speaks the truth. As usual. 😉
The 5.1 was created for the final CLV MGM reissue, which like the THX THUNDERBALL merely condensed the big CAV boxset and removed the extras whilst adding a ac3 5.1 rendering of the previous matrix PCM audio. I don’t have this specific disc, but it should be identical and should be the source of the 1998 MGM DVD and it’s 1999 WB identical port. The video is the same master anyway.
The jump from 6 channel 70mm to 5.1 is indeed done as described above from what I understand, and should be how 2001 was handled. When WB got around to redoing all their Kubrick titles for the remastered DVDs they did their own transfers and junked all the previous ones that they had rushed out earlier. For 2001 they struck new 70mm prints for reissues and did their own restoration work, which apparently involved going back to the audio source tapes and creating a new modernized 5.1 mix without the original sound panning. This is why it was lost and has remained gone ever since. This is also where they lost the color timing and merely corrected their negative scan.
Comparing the modern WB 5.1 to the original shows the original feels not only more accurate to 1968, but also has more impact–despite this being comparing to the 6 track audio matrixed through DPL. The Criterion has some inherent damage so the MGM PCM is likely a better candidate since they were able to clean the audio before processing.
I wish I knew the generation of scope 35mm print I saw a few years ago. It was near perfect, had the original color intact with no fading, and was somehow the original mix in stereo and not a reissued/new WB print. I’m guessing it was pre-WB’s work and perhaps a late 80’s-90’s print in Dolby SR.
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Interesting point Capt Solo. I saw The Empire Strikes Back in 70MM with Dolby Surround and I was hooked on Dolby Surround. ESB had a great surround track. Unfortunately In Central West Florida at the time the bigger Theaters were having to compete with the then new concept of multiplexes and I had to travel 70 miles From the Tampa Bay Area to Orlando to see it in 70 MM because there were no 70 mm venues left in Tampa,St. Petersburg Clearwater area. The Last one,the Britton Theater, on South Dale Mabry Hwy had converted to a Multiplex to compete with the AMC multiplex that had opened directly behind it. It was and is sad to see the Britton Theater still standing today as a multiplex. Before it was converted the theater built in 1958 could hold 1800 people. Can you Image 1800 people at one screening? That was what is what is was like at ESB as it was a big theater. But I digress.
I thought that previous picture looked familiar! All they had to do was straighten their necks and …
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lockwood and dullea are on both pics 😃
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Nice pic!
I can’t wait to read a computer has successfully read lips from a side-profile view.
I never thought it was a goof before I read that it was and I still have doubts it is a goof.
The Britton still exists actually. I went there in college when it was reopened as an independent second run and was shocked to hear at how grand it had once been. It premiered SLEEPING BEAUTY in the day and had a grand screen at the time. Shame to see how it had been so downsized and rundown over the years.
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Anybody live near Chicago?
http://www.musicboxtheatre.com/festivals/70mm-film-festival-the-ultimate-edition
Where were you in '77?
Does North Dakota count as near? When I saw that I instantly became depressed that I’m sure I can’t go down there and see those in 70mm.
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Anybody live near Chicago?
http://www.musicboxtheatre.com/festivals/70mm-film-festival-the-ultimate-edition
The site says, “70mm Print from Warner Brothers with DTS Sound” DTS sound? Sounds like this is a new(er) 70mm print.
That’s the best version currently. It’s the remastered print dating from 2001 or so with the 5.1 remix in DTS for 70. Most places now just get a 2k DCP of his and the BD is a 1080 downres. The 70 should be the best possible edition of their restoration process.
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The printed picture looks like the Blu-ray (blue hue’d), but the 70mm cell reproduction looks spot-on with a grey space station (and Earth colors to match from that):
YouTube 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY COLLECTOR’S EDITION DVD REVIEW - COLLECTION UPDATE (set to start at 3min 14sec for a close-up view)
Are senitypes actual frames from a print though? The limited edition version of the Kubrick Archives came with a small strip of frames touted as being taken from an actual 70mm print of 2001.
Where were you in '77?
The Senitype cells are printed from a single, selected frame of the actual film (70mm in the case of 2001:ASO) – so they are all identical. But as this was a special item, I would think they’d put in the extra effort needed to get it right.
Senitype® - About Us webpage:
The creation of Senitype® begins with the careful selection of a single frame of film that is digitally scanned and expertly reproduced onto paper using intricate state-of-the-art imaging and printing techniques. The film footage is an actual 35-millimeter/70 millimeter or other size(s) film frame reproduced from the original motion picture negative by master film technicians.
These were originally included in the collector’s edition DVD sets released in 2001 (see it in that YouTube video, previous post).
Also, what’s off-topic cool is that they’ve made LOTS for other movies we all know and love, here, at OT!
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That’s the best version currently. It’s the remastered print dating from 2001 or so with the 5.1 remix in DTS for 70. Most places now just get a 2k DCP of his and the BD is a 1080 downres. The 70 should be the best possible edition of their restoration process.
Who here actually likes the 5.1 remix compared to the original?
Are senitypes actual frames from a print though? The limited edition version of the Kubrick Archives came with a small strip of frames touted as being taken from an actual 70mm print of 2001.
What’s the Kubrick Acrhive’s Limited Edition version? Pics? Info? Thank you.
I have the senitype, it’s cool, however as Spaced mentioned, it’s a repro.
What’s the Kubrick Acrhive’s Limited Edition version? Pics? Info? Thank you.
I have the senitype, it’s cool, however as Spaced mentioned, it’s a repro.
No two strips of film are alike. The later edition sans interview CD and 70mm strip is much more affordable, and IIRC, an even less expensive softcover version is supposed to be coming out. The hardcover is one huge and heavy book!
Where were you in '77?
Taschen's The Stanley Kubrick Archives is good for all Kubrick’s film works (Amazon.com has a pre-order for the newest, most affordable version … for at least a year now; still not out) …
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However, Taschen's The Making Of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey is the same treatment but only of 2001:ASO (I discovered this book early on in this thread) …
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It looks like this book has everything-2001:ASO in the Archives book … and so much more!
BTW, notice the design on the cover-sleeve of the TMOSK-2001:ASO book. I thought, with “the monolith” book layout, they were just filling in the area with prominent pictures of the movie. Okay, fine, and then we move on. But … if you look at it and think “why these particular pictures?”, “what profound meaning might be hidden here-in?”, you would surely conclude "there must be something more here with this being a work honoring Kubrick".
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Just came across a really indepth Stanley Kubrick & 2001: A Space Odyssey resource in the 2001Italia Blog, packed with 5 very long pages of entries (okay, so it’s duplicated with English/Italian) . .
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2001Italia – A Blog Devoted To Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey |
Cinépolis, only in FL/CA, seems to be showing it on the 23rd. No info on the print/sound.
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I did a quick search, too. Hated the chain-links, obscured information, and more advertising than website space. Too bad there isn’t some website where one punches in a movie name . . .
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Something happened! … What happened? … Something wonderful!
That can only mean … Taschen's The Making Of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey can now be attained by we mere mortals!
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I’ve been checking it’s Amazon sales webpage. It’s price, for both new [sealed] and used [used:“like new” or used:“very good”], bounces down one week and up the next. New and used editions differ only by a few $$ (at most) to a few ¢¢ (at least). Thus far, I’ve noted $40 as the high and $22 as the low – and that’s for new! Plus with Amazon's free shipping, just fill out your order with another free shipping item to top $35 and save on one heavy package! (Note: have a couple of filler items located and ready to add so you can quick-grab the book when it hits it’s best price.)
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The book looks amazing and I thought it was much more expensive, however, what do you get in the book that isn’t already available via documentaries and the web? Thanks.
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… what do you get in the book that isn’t already available via documentaries and the web?
First of all, it’s all in one place. Secondly, I think all the pictures on the web are probably from this book (or from the same pictures of the Time-Life online picture-set a couple of years ago). Third, the book’s pictures have been cleaned-up to magazine quality. With access to the Kubrick estate, they were able to do it right (a reason I favor using the Taschen book as color-key for 2001 – which, BTW, matches the laserdisc captures when brightness/contrast is normalized).
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While I’m gushing on sales . .
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. . be sure to check out eBay for the 5x7" Senitype 2001: A Space Odyssey Deluxe Collection Set placard. (Yes, there’s lots of them for sale.) The best prices I’ve seen are in the $4-5 range. Perfect for framing if you figure out adding an LED light-box in the back to illuminate the cell. Cool. |